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rockn roland
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 Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: mystery switch on his les paul |
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Hello all,
I just saw robben at jazz alley (seattle) he was playing a tele and a re-issue flamed sunburst les paul. My question is this. prior to soloing he reached to his neck pickup's tone pot appears to be a pull pot I'm curious - might be a midrange boost or something sounded great |
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Ian Hurtt
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:37 am Post subject: Re: mystery switch on his les paul |
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| rockn roland wrote: | Hello all,
I just saw robben at jazz alley (seattle) he was playing a tele and a re-issue flamed sunburst les paul. My question is this. prior to soloing he reached to his neck pickup's tone pot appears to be a pull pot I'm curious - might be a midrange boost or something sounded great |
I was under the impression that it was to split the coils on the pickup(s) on the LP for more of a "single-coil" sound. |
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Aeolian
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Unless he's changed it recently, that is a push on-push off switch to tap both pickups, switching them to single coil mode. Robben finds normal humbuckers "muddy" (his words at a clinc while describing this mod and playing it for us) and usually plays with the pickups tapped unless he's after that famous BlueLine saturated OD tone. Often he'll use the tap switch like a solo boost.
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Daved
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I did change it recently. Before the second night's Jazz Alley shows, actually. Because of wear & tear of aging, it was starting to cut out occasionally when being switched. Unfortunately, I could only find a push-pull switch, rather than a push-push switch, so that will have to suffice do until I can pick up and install the proper switch.
But yes, it is still a coil splitter (for both p/u's).
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rockn roland
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:03 am Post subject: push push switch |
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Hello david
if your ever up in seattle and need ANY electronic part - contact electronics supply in Edmonds WA they have EVERYTHING...and thanks for the info on the pickup splitter - Hell they still sounded like humbuckers but with a more bell like tone....too cool - thanks - Roland |
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Phil T
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | yes, it is still a coil splitter (for both p/u's). |
another question on this subject.
In wiring pickups for switching off one coil, is it normally the inside coils or outside coils (i.e. the ones farthest apart, i.e. w/screw poles) which remain on?
I think I read somewhere it was the latter, but not sure.
Appreciate any replies.
Thanks
Phil |
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adamguitar
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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So what pickups are in the Les Paul now? Or did you have the Burstbuckers in it tapped? They only come with one wire don't they?
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JackD
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been looking all over for those push-push pots (for the tone control) to coil tap the pickups on my 335. Does anyone know where to get them or who has them? |
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Bill Morgan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| JackD wrote: | | I've been looking all over for those push-push pots (for the tone control) to coil tap the pickups on my 335. Does anyone know where to get them or who has them? |
I've had two of those in my Les Paul, and they both went bad. The first one in a matter of minutes, the second a week or two later. I would strongly advise against putting one of those things in a 335. You'll most certainly regret it when (not if) it goes bad on you.
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Phil T
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:21 am Post subject: push push PU switch on guitar |
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A long time ago I bought 3 of 'em
at www.tubesandmore.com, part number: R-VPSH-500KA-SP
I think these are the ones everyone is talking about, whatever the source.
They barely lasted through the installation. Pushing a knob onto it, or operating it normally can brake the switch so that it will not stay down.
I successfully disassembled and fixed 2 of them, they now feel and work reliably, but I too would not recommend them.
It would be great to find some of a different manufacturer.
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JackD
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill Morgan wrote: | | JackD wrote: | | I've been looking all over for those push-push pots (for the tone control) to coil tap the pickups on my 335. Does anyone know where to get them or who has them? |
I've had two of those in my Les Paul, and they both went bad. The first one in a matter of minutes, the second a week or two later. I would strongly advise against putting one of those things in a 335. You'll most certainly regret it when (not if) it goes bad on you.
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Bill or PhilT:
Do you guys then just recommend going with a standard push pull pot? Bill, is that what you did on your Les Paul? |
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frank0936
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: pot |
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Jack, I have a push-pull pot on my Godin LGX and I've never had any trouble with it. It came from the factory with it. I like it because I can tell at a glance whether it's on or not. On another thread it was stated that Robben prefers the push-push type. I don't know if the push-pull design is simpler (less parts to break), or just more rugged, but I'm staying with it.
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veldt666
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:48 pm Post subject: Push push pots |
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The (type),of pots being discussed have been fitted to Yamaha guitars for many years. I still use two guitars, (MSG / Image models), which have seen many years of live use, & the pots still work fine.
I can buy replacments from the Yamaha distributor in the UK, so I'm sure the Yamaha distributors in the US & Japan will have them.
I've bought loads over the years to fit to other guitars, & I've only had two go bad in 20 years.
That said, they now charge £25.00 per pot, so I have reverted to push pulls on occasion. |
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Phil T
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do you guys then just recommend going with a standard push pull pot? Bill, is that what you did on your Les Paul? |
| Quote: | I like it because I can tell at a glance whether it's on or not. On another thread it was stated that Robben prefers the push-push type. I don't know if the push-pull design is simpler (less parts to break), or just more rugged, but I'm staying with it.
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Since I got my push-push switch/pots to work fine, that's what I use.
I assume there are some push-pull types out there that are better quality, but few manufacturers of the push-push style.
I think the two designs are similar, and there are poor quality push-pull as well. The push-push type have an up position similar to the ones that you pull. They alternate with up and down positions when you push them so you can visually tell when it's on or off as well.
My personal preference is the push-push type and I hope someday a quality one is available. I have the push-push switches on a Les Paul and an '84 Esprit standard and would like to put (a good) one on the 335.
Phil |
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Phil T
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Also, | Quote: | | In wiring pickups for switching off one coil, is it normally the inside coils or outside coils (i.e. the coils farthest apart, w/screw poles) which remain on? |
still wondering about this, hoping Daved or someone might comment
(I know I read Daved or someone mention this here before but can't seem to find that post)
Thanks |
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