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Red Suede
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| On my Fender RF it's the inside coils that remain on according to literature that I read at some point, and according to my repairman who put the JB in it when I bought it. I read it on the internet when I was looking for information about the guitar. |
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Phil T
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Thanks
I think it's the outside coils on my guitars.
Maybe that's why they sound weaker then I expected in that position. I allways thought it should be louder. I think the bridge P.U. would be a bit louder if the coil further from the bridge was on in single mode.
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Bill Morgan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Bill or PhilT:
Do you guys then just recommend going with a standard push pull pot? Bill, is that what you did on your Les Paul? |
I would love to find a reliable push/push switch, but I haven't seen one yet. I'll probably go with a push/pull in the meantime, but right now the guitar is stuck in single coil mode, so it doesn't get played much. I was tempted to put some duct tape on it to hold it down, but I don't think that would be too good for the finish. I was also tempted at one point to drill a hole in the top of the Baker to add a mini toggle, but I chickened out on that one! I couldn't bring myself to do that to a Lester though.
By the way, this is not intended as spam, but I guess I'll be putting the Baker on the Yahoo Auction site here in Japan pretty soon. Too many medical bills and too many guitars. 
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johan
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Need some help here -
I have an early 80's Yamaha 335 (SA-800) and want to swap the stock pickups for a set of Fralins Unbuckers I have. The Unbuckers are 4 conductor with one side of the HB stronger than the other so they are perfect to split to SC.
The 335 only has a regular 3 way swict + 2 vol+2 tone. Should I get a push/pull for one of the tone controls like the schematic below? Is this the way Robbens guitar is wired (apart from the push/push pot)
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Bill Morgan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| johan wrote: | Need some help here -
The 335 only has a regular 3 way swict + 2 vol+2 tone. Should I get a push/pull for one of the tone controls like the schematic below? Is this the way Robbens guitar is wired (apart from the push/push pot) |
No, that's not quite right. Here is a drawing from the Duncan website that I modified slightly. The original drawing only showed the bridge pickup being tapped.
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Phil T
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The 335 only has a regular 3 way swict + 2 vol+2 tone. Should I get a push/pull for one of the tone controls like the schematic below? Is this the way Robbens guitar is wired (apart from the push/push pot) |
You will need to add the push/pull, or push/push type of switch for the 335 (or Les Paul) that is how Robben's sunburst is wired(as I understand it).
Yes, I think Bill's pic is correct
After giving the pictures only a basic "quick look", it appears to me that the two are similar. The difference would be that Bill's would make the two inside (i.e. stud, not screw posts) active in single coil mode.
The other drawing looks like, in single coil mode, you would have one "inside" coil (i.e. stud poles) and one "outside" coil (i.e. coil with the screws) active.
(I don't know if I said that very clearly).
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Bill Morgan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil T wrote: | | Quote: | | The 335 only has a regular 3 way swict + 2 vol+2 tone. Should I get a push/pull for one of the tone controls like the schematic below? Is this the way Robbens guitar is wired (apart from the push/push pot) |
You will need to add the push/pull, or push/push type of switch for the 335 (or Les Paul) that is how Robben's sunburst is wired(as I understand it).
Yes, I think Bill's pic is correct
After giving the pictures only a basic "quick look", it appears to me that the two are similar. The difference would be that Bill's would make the two inside (i.e. stud, not screw posts) active in single coil mode.
The other drawing looks like, in single coil mode, you would have one "inside" coil (i.e. stud poles) and one "outside" coil (i.e. coil with the screws) active.
(I don't know if I said that very clearly).
Phil |
I should point out that the drawing I posted is actually from the Seymour Duncan site. The original drawing only showed the bridge pickup being tapped. I added the "A" connection for the neck pickup. This is how all my RF guitars, including the Red Lady, are wired. Keep in mind that the color codes shown in the drawing are for Duncan pickups, and other makers may use different colors.
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yebdox
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Okay guys,
I'm sorry, but did the question ever get answered regarding WHICH coils are actually hot on Robben's guitars when they are split? Plus, how noisy have those of you found them to be after you set up your guitars this way, assuming that the tapped coils are still active in single (i.e. bridge OR neck) mode? It sounds (and looks) like Robben tends to play rhythm in the middle position when they are split, but I've also noticed some soloing taking place with one bridge coil, then kicking the other in as a boost, as mentioned somewhere above.
I have my old 73 LP custom that a tech wired for me in LA 20 years ago - it's tapped, but somehow both coils stay on in both single pickup modes, with the Peter Green out of phase tone to a T with the middle position and the coil tap switch thrown (mini-toggle). Doesn't exactly do the RF thing, but it's dead on for the Peter Green/Fleetwood Mac in Chicago tone - mucho fun! I have no idea what he did to it, though, and the neck pick up is NOT turned around... not sure that that is really critical to getting that tone. |
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