Robben Ford Discussion

kirk95

I have been trying to cut down on listening to just guitar players lately...besides Robben of course...

Been listening to Miles and Trane lately - the late 50's early 60's stuff. Have it in the car and with headphones falling asleep at night too. Can those guys phrase or what

and the intensity of the music is just amazing. I think, as a guitarist, it really helps you get away from the guitar cliches and focus on melodies...and melodic development. Again both those guys are masters of motif development.

So what do you listen to when it's not guitar players?

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Bluelobster · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:28 am Post subject: Good question

Hi Kirk , good idea for a thread and tough job too.
Miles Davis (kind of Blue), Ruishi Sakamoto,Duke Ellington, Maceo Parker,
Weather Report, actually a lot of classical music for my job, and i admit i like some .Eric Satie , and sometimes indian Music

roadwarriorfortheblues · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:48 am Post subject: Violins and Keyboards

Regina Carter... see her live show if you can !

Reggae Philharmonic Orchestra... i've been listening to this cd since 1988 and it's still one of my favorites !

Jon Cleary and the absolute monster gentlemen... one of my favorite cds and he puts on an amazing show.

Deanna Bogart... she sings, plays piano AND saxophone -- if you like boogie, you'll love Deanna !

edpesco · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:54 am Post subject:

Well Kirk, Trane has been my biggest influence and the one I used to listen the most before I got into that RF stuff. My favourites from that time still are: Ole´, Live at the Village Vanguard, Live at the VV again, Ballads.
Then: Lambert, Hendricks and Ross, SONNY ROLLINS, Chick Corea's firstz Returntoforever-album, and some french guys: LOUIS SCLAVIS (clarinet) and CLAUDE NOUGARO, an extraordinary jazz singer, PETER HERBERT (austrian, lives in Paris, great bass player and composer, played 2 tracks on the last Paul Simon album)...... just to name a few

PierreL · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 1:42 pm Post subject:

Hmmm...
Björk
Erik Truffaz
Niels Peter Molvaer
Nithin Sawnhey
Michael Brecker
Talvin Singh
Peter Gabriel
Vicente Amigo
Paco de Lucia ( Ok I'm cheating, those last 2 ones are guitar related Embarassed

)
Josha Redman
Massive Attack
Seal

Irgendeiner · Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 1:31 pm Post subject:

some of my-non-guitar-favourites:

Mary Coughlan
Blood, Sweat & Tears
Marla Glen
Angela Brown
Dr John
Sydney Ellis
Jocelyn B. Smith
Patricia Barber
Gail Wynters
Galliano
Bootsy Collins

and some Scottish/Irish-Folk-Players:
Dougie MacLean
Brian Mc´Neill

kohar · Member Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 45 Location: detroit

in a mood, I like Fiona Apple, Cat Power(she keeps getting better), Natalie Merchant, Very Early Bonnie Raitt, Joni Mitchell, early too(like Blue and Court n Spark) & Luscious Jackson.
When I'm in the car I like rock n roll, like Tom Petty, Temple of the Dog, Led Zeppelin 1 (Your time is gonna come!) and some Neil Young too....
(still a hippy) Lenny Kravitz
George Michael singing FatherFigure with Elton John
At home alone, I dance to PRINCE!!!!! ha LOVE PRINCE!!!!
How about RF on guitar with Prince singing blues.

OMG
Chopin Nocturnes and Mendehlsons Songs without words on piano
Etta James and Janis Joplins KozmicBlues when I drink wine.
Never missed a Pretenders Concert
How about that Nickleback singer Chad Kroeger singing with Santana...luv that song.
Oh Oh...and the very first two albums by the Stones......luv those 2
Mose Allison......the WORD FROM MOSE..wore it out

telefunk1 · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:33 am Post subject:

edpesco - can you recommend a Sclavis CD or 2? I am on the lookout for interesting clarinet music for my 12 year old daughter who started playing recently. She gets tired of my Benny Goodman collection, which I force her to listen to as much for the Charlie Christian solos as the clarinet playing!

telefunk1 · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:48 am Post subject:

Used to listen to lots of Miles and Trane, but even more the great swing tenors - Ben Webster, Lester Young, Coleman Hawkins. They cannot be beat for tone and feel. Trumpet, also Cliford Brown; trombone, Curtis Fuller. The entire Blue Note collection, Lou Donaldson and his Alligator Boogaloo; early Herbie Hancock, too. Good golly! Other stuff:

Organ trio stuff - Jimmy Smith to Joey Defranchesco (check out his work with John Mclaughlin) - the riffing power of the B3 is awsome (listen to how Danny Gatton imitates the B3 on his stuff)
Peter Gabriel - for his intensity
Steve Earle - great sound on Transcendental Blues CD
Joshua Redman - intelligent funk
Dr John - his recent CD ( can't think of the name right now) is a total groove fest - put it on and play along for an incredible work out.
Meters and Neville Brothers, too
Little Feat - for Bill Payne and Kenny and Richie as much as the guitar
work
Allman Bros Fillmore - the 2nd CD has been the car for a month and I keep playing Mountain Jam over and over - the drum solo is amazing and I hear new stuff every time I listen to it.

Way too much to list...

edpesco · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:50 pm Post subject:

telefunk: I strongly recommend "Ellington on the air" by Sclavis. I love all his CDs but this is my favourite and not to experimental. Nice there's another jazz-interested human on board Smile

telefunk1 · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:10 am Post subject:

edpesco - many thanks for the suggestion. I will track down a copy and check it out. I used ot be much more of a jazzer than I am now, but just because I have yet to replace my jazz LPs with CDs, so I find myself listening to more current stuff. By the way, I lived in Vienna for 2 years MANY years ago.

edpesco · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:18 am Post subject:

I also used to live in Vienna for 2 years, 1981-1983, love to go there once or twice a year

diatonicdude · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:33 pm Post subject: Try these!

Brintey Spears (lol).......not likely (bless her)!

At this very moment I am listenning to Lyle Mays's (Pat Metheny's keyboard player) albums "Lyle Mays" & "Sweetdreams". Also, Jan Garberek and Jeff Buckley's "Grace" (superb contempory album; this guy was incredibly gifted (fantastic voice) and would have been massive, i'm sure.

Someone mentioned Miles's "kind of blue"; absolutely heaven sent, and one of my top 5 albums.

Kirk95, here's a guitar player/album for you to checkout; Alan Murphy and SFX (the album is named SFX too!). This chap was a major session musician and Fender demostrator back in the 80's before dying of Aids. He had a great sound, with a great fusion vibe.

cheer's,

DD Smile

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telefunk1 · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:49 am Post subject:

Speaking of Miles, there is an excellent book out by Eric Nisenson, "The Making of Kind of Blue: Miles Davis and his Masterpiece (2000)." I picked up a copy at a Half Priced Books for about 5 bucks a few years ago. Wonderful book about how people make music, the creative process, and how this LP fit into the overall evolution of Miles as a musician and person. I think people all too often consider landmark music making as discrete events when in fact they are part of a much larger picture. A lot of different things and people converged to make this LP, and the book takes you through the before and after processes and such. There is another book out (cannot think of the author) on the making of Kind of Blue. Same author recently wrote on the making of Coltrane's Love Supreme. Still waiting for the cheapo copies on these.

Note - I read the the Nisenson book on Miles the same time I was reading the Zen and Guitar book RF recommends in his clinics. They fit well together.

Aeolian · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:43 pm Post subject:

How come nobody's mentioned Bird and Dizzy so far? We'd all be still playing diatonicaly if not for them.

Charile Parker is the man. You can get so much from him. Not just the harmonic extensions but the big tone and the phrasing. The line in the Eastwood movie sticks with me "I found out how to make it FIT!".

Other guys with the rhythmic sensibilty to make it fit: Phil Woods (listen to High Clouds from Live at the Showboat and the unison sax/guitar solo! Shocked

), James Moody and Bud Shank. Check out the LA4 albums to hear Bud come up with melody after melody. Another horn player who can do this is a local guy named Tom Politzer, now with TOP. There's a taste on the latest album (with David back on drums, my favorite drummer) but try to see them live.

Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum. These guys could blaze and swing at the same time. Keith Emerson who free'd keyboardists of the same old voices.

Mile, Chet Baker, Benny Goodman.

Great Drummers, we need rhythm! Garibaldi, Rich, Bellson, Weckel, Pocaro, the mighty Dennis Chambers and our own Baltimore ex-pat Dennis's buddy, Bryant Mills (aka Heavy B)

And the other side of the rhythm section, Rocco, Jaco, Ray Brown, Wooton, Haslip and local heros Myron Dove and Victor Little who is the embodiment of a bass player. Groove first, you have to drag a solo out of him, and then watch out!
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