Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: sandwishes
Bluelobster wrote:
Regarding the way Ham sand wishes are made in france , ou sont les toilettes is the perfect match.
Blob who loves every other country than the one he belongs to.
I wish no sand in my sandwich! Vive la France avec ses fromages et ses vins
Well I'm just glad to have all of you here!
Please excuse my English.....I'm American
We are glad to be here and in terms of kirk we excuse almost everything and I must say it's great to feel like a child and use all those emoticons very funny ha ha
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:48 am Post subject: Wooooww......Elisabeth's french !!!
Hallo, Elisabeth,
I notice you still practice the french language !
It's fluent, proficiat !!!!!
Even my french (and I live between french-talking-people) ain't not what is has to be !
Can I rent you a few months for translation at the policebureau ?
You will be payed.......even possible in......nature !!!!
Interested ?
Greetings,
Fill from Brussels. _________________ Filmore
Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 534 Location: SF Bay area
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:09 am Post subject: Interested?
I stink as a translator, but I would happily offer my services(or backup vocals, English tutoring, dog walking, corny jokes...) I would love to visit my old cafe, as well as 92 Avenue Brillat-Savarin, le foret, Avenue Louise, and more. (I adore Belgium; lived there for a year.) _________________ www.elizabethgage.com
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:41 am Post subject: How does it come ?
Hey Kirk,
Kirk, just a question to ask you about "artist respect" ?
How does it come that in the US the audience not suporting Robben Ford that much as the "central European folks" do ?
How does it come that there is no "common sense" ?
What can be the difference ?
Elisabeth, when you read this questions, maybe you can give me an answer to this ?
Greetings,
Fill from Brussels ? _________________ Filmore
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:07 am Post subject: My 2 cents
Hi Filmore, wise question, if i can put my 2 cents,but i'm french, i don't know how old you are but comin' in my 49 , i begin to feel world is changing (at least in my own vision) , youth rules,and it's a fabulous market, i made my daughter listen to everything (EvErY Music )since she is born : Ravel, Debussy, Elluington, Miles, Prince, R.Ford, Hendrix, Radi, TV,
Commercials , Operas. Now she is 20 , at 4 she freaked out about Prince
till 14 (she was dancin') then she went on (guess what ) TECHNO, but
she stills listen to a wide range of music from East european music (yiddish & Tzigane) to Hendrix to young Santana to SRV to Strange stuff i even don't know, Strangely enough she doesn't listen Robben FORD, how weird is this ? may be it is the fact we listen this stuff 16 hours a day ? Or when she were 3 month old we brang her listen to MILES with scofield and Darryl Jones on first row ? or may be she is unconciously fed up by the fact we took her to san juan capistrano Beach when she was 6 to see a Blue Line Gig ? Anyway check back some threads on boards , Marin & Leftbender did good statements about "mainstream", but they are not americans.
And for the end : A few times ago one of a drummer i play with (hendrix, ZZ top, Robben Ford etc..... came franticlly over me with a CD and in a spasm of joy yelled at me LISTEN TO THIS , it's bombastic.
It was Gary Moore , Playin' da Blues.
Hell !!!!!!!What can i say ??? I taped 2 songs (enough for me, !)!
In fact your question is a good question ??? Besides the fact i am getting older ? whatize^roblem wizallthozzzzzeguys?????????????????????????
The world is definetly changing, that's true, but when you're gettin' older it comes to the front that our kids are not very interested in good music, music with background ! I'm 31 years young but have found in the early days (about 15j) bluesmusic more then anything else the max. I used to listen to SRV a lot but even MILES DAVIS and JOE SAMPLE are still on my hotlist. I can not sell those toughts with any one of my generation !
Now it's all mixed music with singers who are actors with videoclips on the move with al lot of naked peolpe ! Where is this getting at ? But i know, it's celling stuff, it's ruff business. Robben Ford was added on this hotlist in 1992 when he was on tour in Belgium and played at the PEER BLUES FESTIVAL ! I have no kids and so I can't see them grow upto good bluesmusic like Robben Ford.
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 401 Location: College Station, TX
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:39 am Post subject:
Interesting question, but I have to ask several of my own. Are the European audiences really more supportive? By what criteria? Has anyone actually compared the crowds, venues, box office, CD sales, etc between continents? The two most recent times I saw RF were roughly equivalent in venue and audience size (one in Texas and one in Berlin). So my personal experience does not suggest a disparity. There is a "common wisdom" that tells us that European audiences are more knowledgeable and receptive to blues and jazz, but has this actually been quantified in any way? Sorry, as an academic I have to ask these questions! While I agree that Robben deserves more respect as an artist, period, I think this is something that is earned (with the help of luck, etc) more than it is attributable to geography. And what is "artistic respect" anyway? Sales, babes, Dumbles out the wazoo?
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:04 pm Post subject:
What are the facts? Well, it just feels like that to me. I hardly every hear Robben on the Radio here. Musicians I play with locally don't know Robben's tunes at all. Most of my friends have never heard of Robben unless I have personally turned them on to him.
Data I do have is from this web site. If we look at all members who have posted more than 3 times and filled in location in their profile. We get these numbers:
Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 534 Location: SF Bay area
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:21 pm Post subject: My ideas...
Interesting questions. One problem I see is that some of the assumptions are not correct. Most of the performances I have seen in the past five years were sold out. My guess is that additional shows could have been added. The SF and Santa Cruz Blues Festivals are always packed and often sell out. What makes anyone say that Robben is not respected in the US? I think he is incredibly respected here, though not consumed by the masses.
We are incredibly fortunate to have a wide variety of live music and theater to see. Many weekends I find myself having to decide between several artists, and the list of performances, in the SF Bay area alone, is staggering. Many of Robben's performances are not highly publicized (Hey, Boys and Girls, get your weekly Fix of Ford!) the way a band like the Stones, or Sting, or another stadium packer.
At the risk of sounding like a effete snob, I think we are among a group of consumers who are attracted to the more eclectic arts. We go to the little theaters that have the more discerning, but less universally accepted, titles. Robben has never chosen to market himself like the MacDonald's of the music world. (EEEWWWWW...who cares if there have been 983 billion sold...the food tastes like $#@%!) Robben is a five star, gourmet meal; he is savored and enjoyed rather than the tasteless junk, wolfed down by the masses on the run. (Oooh, I rather liked that analogy.)
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 401 Location: College Station, TX
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:39 pm Post subject:
Hey Captain - interesting stats, but maybe this just means that our European friends have more time to kill on the Internet than we do?! Hope my boss is not monitoring my use this week...
Elizabeth - right on the money "respected though not consumed." Big difference at one level, but it is possible to be both. And you are not a snob, you just have good taste.
Won't go down the Robben as food metaphor with you, though, you are on your own.
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:54 pm Post subject:
telefunk1 wrote:
Hey Captain - interesting stats, but maybe this just means that our European friends have more time to kill on the Internet than we do?! Hope my boss is not monitoring my use this week...
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Give your boss a copy of "Keep on Running" and invite him over here!
All I know is I put up a site for Robben and 1/2 the members are from Europe and they contribute 70% of the posts. Clearly not a scientific study...but interesting.
I was emailing with Scott Henderson's Blues Trio bass player. He told me that Scott can not afford to tour in the US without label tour support. But can they make money touring in Europe.
Hey I live in Boulder...what do I know? But it just feels like I could see the artists I really like a lot more if I lived in Europe.
Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 534 Location: SF Bay area
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:25 pm Post subject: ...not a snob
Thanks, tele...and of course I have taste...hence the reference to fine food (ha ha ha ha ha...I crack myself up sometimes! One more reason I chose NOT to become a stand up comedian!)
I'm with you on the move, Captain. As soon as my son is out of school, I am definitely out of PLEASANTVILLE...I prefer the attitude and lifestyle (except for the Gitanes...ugh!) in Europe, and I love being able to walk on the street alone, at 1 a.m. without feeling afraid. Besides, the coffee (and everything else) is so much better.
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 886 Location: SF Bay Area
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: My ideas...
elizabeth wrote:
Robben has never chosen to market himself like the MacDonald's of the music world. (EEEWWWWW...who cares if there have been 983 billion sold...the food tastes like $#@%!)
My dad used to joke every time we passed on of the signs "200 Million sold, over 35 eaten".
I am definitely out of PLEASANTVILLE." Hey Elizabeth, you should come over the Sunol grade to my town sometime, a cultural void. At least down in San Jose Robben's legacy lives on. You can walk into any jam night at JJ's and call Help the Poor and folks will know it. Even the folks we refer to as "blues nazi's" (no 6th's and definitely no b5's allowed) at least know of and respect Robben.
I think that Robben's music falls into a more sophisticated area like jazz or classical and such even with the crossover to more popular blues and R&B. As such, it's in a neverland. It was been written that in the 60's and 70's you could turn on pop radio and hear all kinds of different stuff with Jefferson Airplane followed by Otis Redding followed by Bob Dylan followed by Cream or whatever. In the time that Robben and a lot of us grew up, all that mattered was if it was good music. Now if Clear Channel can't fit it into one of their formats, it's left to the college stations and the few independents. Folks have gotten so used to this, their ears have shrunk. _________________ There are no such things as wrong notes, there's only the look on your face.
My Stuff: www.stevekirbymusic.com
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and I must say it's great to feel like a child and use all those emoticons 
very funny ha ha 
