Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: Grass is greener on the other side
As far as achieving a perfect tone, the old saying "The grass is greener on the other side" is very true.
I am sure every guitarist, when tidying up their hard drive, plays an old track and is knocked out by the amazing tone, only to find out that it's themself playing through gear that has long been replaced in the search for that perfect tone !
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Grass is greener on the other side
jedmon01 wrote:
As far as achieving a perfect tone, the old saying "The grass is greener on the other side" is very true.
I am sure every guitarist, when tidying up their hard drive, plays an old track and is knocked out by the amazing tone, only to find out that it's themself playing through gear that has long been replaced in the search for that perfect tone !
So true! So very true indeed!
We are a weird bunch aren't we?
vinni _________________ Does this guitar make me look fat?
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:28 pm Post subject:
As a non guitar playing guitar freak I must pass on an observation made over the last few years following a particular player I have had an opportunity to see in various settings.
It is all in the hands.
From how the tone controls are set to how the guitar is attacked and the various instruments fretted.
This friend of mine can get tone out of a Peavey Bandit. Playing a Squire Strat.
That doesn't mean he doesn't seek out that perfect rig it just means he can get a different sound out of it that others can't.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:
Wow,my head hurts, I just read all four pages of this toner thread. I Think Mr. Daved knew exactly what he was doing by bringing this "tone" thing up to this bunch of tone fanatics!! he's sitting back right now laughing at all this.....just kidding. I know the answer, you can buy it, it comes in a can.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: deep tone thoughts
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I Think Mr. Daved knew exactly what he was doing by bringing this "tone" thing up to this bunch of tone fanatics!!
I think Mr. Daved has a little something to do with that tone, at least when Robben's up on stage!
I'm not a guitarist or musician, but I'll put in my two cents worth. I think tone has more to do with harmonics and vibration, not just sound. Like the perfect chant, the sound resonates with the soul - you don't just hear it, you feel it.
Happy holidays, everyone, and here's hoping you find the perfect tone for you.
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:30 am Post subject:
Vinni Smith wrote:
Daved,
Thanks for this post. I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinions and especially your probing questions about our quest for "TONE". If it makes you feel any better, I personally don't think Robben's tone is The Perfect Tone. Don't get me wrong, I like it but I like Frampton's or May's tones just as well and maybe a bit more at times. I like more of a singing tone on the top end of the spectrum. Something I personally think a Dumble just does not deliver. So don't get your panties in a wad!!! ; ^ )
I think what makes a perfect tone, in reality, is whether or not it allows the artist to make the statement they are trying to say. Just like an actor or actress. It is as much how they say lines as what they say. A great actor usually has a great speaking voice as well. If Dustin Hoffman sounded like Tom Selleck, then Rainman just would not have gone over as well as it did. If Forest Gump had the voice of Zoolander, HMMMM. Am I expressing that correctly? So, in this way, the perfect tone is very relative to what you are doing and what you are trying to do. If it is working and delivering, then it is perfect for that place in time and attempt.
Now, I also need to say that I do not want all of the great tones I have heard over the years at my fingertips to choose from. Just too confusing and distracting for me. However, when I play a guitar part, I want the tone that helps me speak. If I am pissed off, I want that tone to convey that. If I am laughing, that guitar better be laughing for me or I will go buy another rig that will. There are a lot of tones out there and to call one the "Perfect" one is unfortunate indeed.
Now, I said all that, please let me say this. I only play with one clean tone and one lead tone. That is it. That is what I like and it is what makes me play my best to express myself. That works for me. It may not work for others. But that is ok as well. I like to hear Batten, Beck and Johnson. I enjoy what they do with their gear. I truely do. But that is just not me to use 100 different tones. I am confident we all vary in this aspect.
I am the maker and designer of The V-Pick. I came up with this design back in the 80's. As a young man, my quest at that time was to sound like Brian May. Fat, Fat, Fat. That is all that mattered in my mind. That is still what is important to me and that is why I am still playing my V-Picks to this day, however, as good as I think my tone is I sure would not want to hear every guitar player out there trying to sound like Vinni Smith. Nor would I expect them to want to. First of all, that would be sad for them and ludicrous as well, but it also would be extremely boring!
And let's just be honest. I could play with Robben's guitar and setup and would not sound like him any more than the man on the moon would. And visa versa. If he played my rig, he would still sound like Robben, not me. Which brings up a good question in my mind, why would we want to sound like each other??? We all have our heroes but how sad it would be if in the end of our quest, we sounded like them and not like us.
Daved, in my mind there is no Perfect Tone or perfect player. Robben is incredible yes. So is Frampton and May and Demeola and Carlton. They're all great. However, they are all so different, how could a person say, that one is better? Nonsense.
Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks again Daved for this post. BTW, I got the chance to meet you and spent the entire weekend around you in Reno a few years back. I think very highly of you and consider you top notch.
Cheers. Do good things,
vinni smith
Good post - for me anyway, being middle aged and not playing in bands anymore it's fun to try and replicate tones of some of my favorite players, then just play to some jamming tracks. I mean look at the numerous posts concerning Robben's tone, you could also throw SRV in the mix, George Benson, Page, Clapton, Collins, Gatton.
These guys are at the pinnacle of tone, it just grabs you when you hear it, and if you're a player you just want to experience the vibe yourself. I agree if you're starting a band ( unless you're a cover band) get your own tone/style etc. When I finally got close to the RF tone with an Epi dot 335, it gave this cat a real rush - now if i can only get it on the tele _________________ I love Tele players Albert Collins, Gatton. Roy B,RF - and my guitar of choice.
I thought I'd found the very thing today; there, sitting on the bathroom window ledge was a bottle labeled 'Ace tone' but once I'd got my specs on, it turned out to be stuff for removing nail lacquer...
I was 2 steps from spraying it on my finger board, just to see what happened. So near, and yet so far........
I thought I'd found the very thing today; there, sitting on the bathroom window ledge was a bottle labeled 'Ace tone' but once I'd got my specs on, it turned out to be stuff for removing nail lacquer...
I was 2 steps from spraying it on my finger board, just to see what happened. So near, and yet so far........
I read through all of this to get to your post...I "almost" used that same "Ace Tone" when wiping down the body on my Stratocaster after refinishing it and doing final wet sading...grabbed the Ace Tone instead of the Naphtha...yikes! had i continued, 2 months of hard work would have resulted in a gunky mess...
On the original topic, there are tons of great guitar tones out there...but few sets of hands that can bring those tones out. _________________ I'll be spending way too much time here...
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Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:50 am Post subject:
Millibobs wrote:
I thought I'd found the very thing today; there, sitting on the bathroom window ledge was a bottle labeled 'Ace tone' but once I'd got my specs on, it turned out to be stuff for removing nail lacquer...
I was 2 steps from spraying it on my finger board, just to see what happened. So near, and yet so far........
Dude, you've got to get back on your meds. _________________ I love Tele players Albert Collins, Gatton. Roy B,RF - and my guitar of choice.
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: meds
Collinsman - I did, I drank the acetone......grrrrr....that stuff sure has a kick to it......
The tone quest continues but tonight at rehearsal we did a 40 track medley to work out some stuff for the next gig. The Bassman is the perfect canvass for some OCD/Zendrive colour and boy did that rig howl tonight....
The RV3 pedal is just the most wonderful digital reverb I ever heard and everyone is checking round the back of the amp for the long tank....
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