Robben Ford Discussion

rainmkr63 · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: Rant!

The president said “No quick fix for gas prices”, what is wrong with this dork THERE IS NO FIX FOR IT!! Oil is just not the path of a successful future, oil alternatives are the only answer!!! Just like I heard from Bush in the debates with Gore 8 years ago Bush fucking wants to explore more drilling when Gore wanted to explore other ways to power the country, and give incentives to companies that have good ideas… It’s fucking common sense to explore other options, which is why I know Bush has to be a puppet for the oil companies. Now we are 8 fucking years later with no progress on saving the environment and saving the little reserves of oil we have left!!!

I just want to scream about this shit but it does no good that is why I just gave up on caring way back when, the puppeteers are way too powerful to save anything! I have voted since I was 18 and will continue to do so but does it really make a fucking difference when someone like this can make our decisions for us??!!! He feeds this instant gratification philosophy that could bring this country down.

I just had to rant. Neutral

Rob

Millibobs · Senior Member Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 291

and when he leaves office, guess where he'll turn up next??!!!!!!

Goodwill ambassador for Shell........!!

rainmkr63 · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:

Probably

I'm not a very smart guy as you can tell by my writing, I did graduate from college and music school in the late 80s somehow (thanks mom and Dad and FAFSA). This just seems like common sense and I feel like I'm watching a 60 ton freight train headed for a wall and I cant stop it!

My answer right now is I recycle as much as I can and I hope for some brave new technology to transport me and goods around the world.... without killing anything!

Bluelobster · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject:

thanks FOR THAT RANTING / WORLD IS MAD
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frank0936 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Rant

I guess you missed that part where Bush said we must find alternative sources of energy. Unfortunately, the whole ethanol thing is the wrong answer - at least in it's present form. Our European cousins have already discovered that.
Frank

rainmkr63 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:57 am Post subject:

I don't hate Bush and I belive he only wants the best for the world, but his advisers and or Lobby are too influential on his decision making.

JohnnyZ · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject:

Rainy, I wrote a long reply to your original post, then deleted because it seemed too political for this board. However, the jist of it was to say that Al Gore needs to lead by example to be more credible (i.e. trade-in mansion & SUVs for modest ranch house and Honda Civics). My other thought was what was done in the 90s administration to promote environmental advances? Not much, IMO, and that's when it should've started...

Bottom-line: stop the blame game and let's do something. Politicians will talk, but it's us PEOPLE who will do something. Use less water, use less gas, throw away less garbage, and play the Blues! Very Happy

rainmkr63 · Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject:

I agree completely! I don't think Gore is the answer I was using that example about the debates, that finding more oil will help in the long run but it wont.

Big oil has such a strong hold on the politicians balls that no small smart company can get new brave technology's recognized and funded.

what 8 year old kid cant figure out if something is running out and you cant get it back you have to look for something to replace it.

AndyR · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 2:52 am Post subject:

rainmkr63 wrote:

fingerlakes · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:04 am Post subject:

It's easy to point fingers and blame the politicians for the current mess with fuel prices. This situation will only get worse until Americans learn to make some scarifices and cut back on their use of fossil fuels. What we have done :

1. Living in upstate NY, the heating of our home is a huge factor. In 2007 I tore out our oil furnace and installed a wood pellet furnace in our home. This was expensive and I had to borrow $ to do it.....Through 2 heating seasons I have saved $7000 as opposed to burnig fuel oil. After next year I will have paid for the change over on what I have saved. It's a lot more work, procruring pellets,loading them, filling the furnace daily, etc......but well worth it.

2. My wife and I traded in our SUV's and now have 1 vehicle we share....a 2006 Ford Focus that gets very good mpg......I live 1/4 mile from where i work.....I now walk ( The loss of 20 lbs is a side benefit )....she car pools with 3 other teachers to the school where she teaches....our new car sits in the driveway and doesn't move 3 to 4 days a week.

3. i have 2 sons in college....my wife and I insisted on certain parameters for their vehicles ( MPG being the biggest factor ) before we agreed to cosign their loans or put them on our insurance.....when they ask for extra gas $ we now say simply " no "

These are small things we have done...and we plan to do more...I am charting every cent we pay for fuel.....I feel we are doing something good for the economy, the environment, and our pocketbooks as well.

Bluelobster · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: I Luv U

I love america . Shocked

. Hands up fingerlake.
Johnny Z Watch out , i think the brain police works too strong over you my dear friend . In My Humble Opinion . And why not let do the work by our mighty administrators. Idea

well i mean those moderators Crying or Very sad

Now Andy pfffffffffffff since 1968 (mighty years) lot of people ask for alternative energy , theywere stated as ultraleft activists or hippies , something to fight against ........... 40 years later is as bad , Lobbies lobbies loobies , they rule in france by now and the only positive things we are obliged to do come from europa . Nowat this point i am too lazy to go on because of my poor semantic , but i am glad to see we here are on same level.

JohnnyZ · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:15 am Post subject:

In a few weeks, my daughter and her fiance will be moving out of my house and into their own. Yippee! I can't wait for my fuel bills to be reduced by 40%! Now, if I can get my lazy-ass son to find his own cave... Exclamation

telefunk1 · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 6:18 am Post subject:

Rant away, rain. This situation calls for more exasperated voices. I was going to respond yesterday but this is too much like work (political scientist and all that) and I play on this forum to get away from work! But the lack of energy subsidies for alternative sources like solar is just criminal. We subsidize the oil bidness while they collect obscene profits yet we create constraints to keep the rest of the energy community from getting a foot hold. Bad politics and policy all around.

Doing what one can individually is great and I applaud your efforts on conservation. One person can make a difference and set an example. The other thing to do is get involved and get in the face of your elected reps. Not one of those "send an e-mail" "or sign an on-line petition" things - pick up the phone or stop by the local office and ask: "what the hell is going on with energy policy (or lack there of) and what are you doing about it?" The bush/cheney cabal have put this country back years (far more than the 8 they had had control) in this policy area and it will take all of us ranting to fix things.

OK, back to work, dammit. I thought I was going to spend a few minutes reading about Zen Drives or something, now I am all worked up!

Bluelobster · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: lazy

if i could only take the time to really explain you how insane the right wing of our government (which is by now our government) did things hands in hands with lobbies to make the wind energy overnegative in average popular minds (and these are KIND words) since over 15years, you'll puke and ask me to stop and show you my amp.

Pffffffffffffffffffff, i think we needed a rant , thingsare way too politically KrKt around there . Can U hear me Robben Fan Number One , Agrestic is a nice town is not it ??????? and there is a Dexter sleeping in each of us , that's truthy but no one seems to see the point it's better to step on a stomp and to get stuck on a cable , then (arf arf , zen ) u can make yourself a schmuck, a geezer, pretending you've seen the light but back on the tracks WHY and i say it loudly WHY stomp boxes are notpowered with solar cells when played in day light??????????????????????????????
this is once again evil forces fighting against well fare .
Telefunk my rant over stomboxes has nuthin' to do with/ you it's more a rant since i lurk a lot on the gear page
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Red Suede · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:35 am Post subject:

I don't believe there is an oil shortage. All plastics, rayon, nylon, any synthetic materials are oil based. If there were really an oil shortage, isn't this where you would cut back first? Ever notice how oil companies raise prices and then lower them to a new median price? When I was in the hydraulics industry one of the engineers I worked with used to work for Standard Oil and at the height of the gas lines in the eighties when gas was being rationed he told me that there were enough reserves in the U.S. alone for 2000 years worth of fossil fuel production, and could produce the site maps to prove it. He told me it's cheaper for the steam to drive the oil up out of the ground and then cap the well and find another reserve than to put an oil derrick up and pull the oil up out of the ground. Sorta like how our friend Lee Iacocca is talking about the costs of things and how corrupt business is, yet he was the guy who in the fifties refused to put seat belts in cars because it would raise the cost of a new car by $5.00 or so. Just saying , there's probably more to all of this than we are privy to.