Hi Tele, well I tend to agree with you on this one - I can appreciate the musicianship and abilities if all 3 guys but this style of music frequently leaves me 'cold'.
I can 'get into' the instrumental stuff but the singing is sooo archetypical, if you listen to nearly any fusion style recording and there is vocals it nearly always sounds the same,
Sorry but give me Robben playing the Blues, Rock or the Tiger Walk stuff any day over the Jing Chi music
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 886 Location: SF Bay Area
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:22 pm Post subject:
telefunk1 wrote:
A - Drop Shot, the Ricky Peterson cut on Organ-ized. What a great tune! I put it on repeat and just drive down the road with a big old smile on my face...
Oh Yeah!, I broke this out and put it on repeat driving in this morning. Killer funk. Kind of like early Brecker Brothers. I love that B3 burbling up under the groove.
Speaking of which, now that we've gone though bass players who fool around with extended registers and forget that they're bass players, drummers who can't groove, and harmonica players who can't take the thing out of their mouth, I'd like to kick off another riff; keyboard players who put up a B3 patch or some other pad and just sit there holding big chords taking up all the space. Back when I sold pianos and organs, I learned that real organ players constantly work the volume pedal, creating an attack and dynamics to the comps. Listen to Chester Thompson or other gospel background organists and see how they pump the thing (sounds like a bad joke in there) to create a rhythmic drive. Another gripe is keyboardists who play bass lines with their left hand, handcuffing the bass player. Unless you're Jimmy Smith or Clifford Colter and there isn't a bass player in the band, pick that left hand up or use it for comps on the other manual (sparingly ) _________________ There are no such things as wrong notes, there's only the look on your face.
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Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 534 Location: SF Bay area
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject: uh-oh
Awww jeeeeez, I missed the bit about the harmonica players, but I can feel the next one coming...singers who don't always follow the song list...singers who make obscene gestures behind their backs when the drummer starts in the wrong tempo...singers who dig their grubby little feet in when the players leave out their favorite bridge...singers who go completely brain dead and forget every lyric they have ever known... My god man, IS THERE NO ONE SAFE HERE?
Okay, base players who step all over the guitarists, harp-in-mouth players, keyboard players who use their left hands (what the hell are we supposed to do with them????) and the rest of you misfits, I am going to start a support group/safe haven for all of us. (Drummers with no rhythm need not respond...that one could be serious!
I WAS going to ask if I could be a Bicky-boomette Aeolian, but FINE... I will just have to start my own band...and you can bet your bottom dollar we'll have cool shoes and socks! Any takers?
I'm workin' on some names (always the hardest part...you don't want to know how we picked our last one!!!) How about:
1. Queen e and the Chausettes
2. The Donwannabees
3. Wescrewupbecausewecan'thelpit
4. The First Lady and the Robbenettes
5. The Robbeneestas
There are a few I probably should not post here, but your suggestions are warmly welcomed, as are your musical gaffs and faux pas (foe paws?.) I am home sick again today, but feelin' better, can you tell????
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject: Peace Love & Understanding
Let's all play nice now boys!
Quote:
Peace Love & Understanding
As I walk through
This wicked world
Searchin’ for light in the darkness of insanity.
I ask myself
Is all hope lost?
Is there only pain and hatred, and misery?
And each time I feel like this inside,
There’s one thing I wanna know:
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding? ohhhh
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding?
And as I walked on
Through troubled times
My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes
So where are the strong
And who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony?
Sweet harmony.
’cause each time I feel it slippin’ away, just makes me wanna cry.
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding? ohhhh
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding?
So where are the strong?
And who are the trusted?
And where is the harmony?
Sweet harmony.
’cause each time I feel it slippin’ away, just makes me wanna cry.
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding? ohhhh
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding? ohhhh
What’s so funny ’bout peace love & understanding?
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 886 Location: SF Bay Area
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject:
Actually Miss Lizzy, singers hire us as sidemen so we have to be nice to them. In my experience, if a singer knows what key they want and knows how to count in a song, there a hero with the band. It's a little scary when someone says, "any key", or "what key do you usually do it in?" The worst was a singer who told me "I have a chart". But the chart was in Bb and she wanted to do it in E. I just said "next set" and transposed it during the break. Sight transposing and following her jumping around the arrangement didn't sound like fun. The first time I played that Macy Gray "Walk away and I stumble" song, I'd never heard it before but the singer produced a chart which had been scribbled down as a cheat sheet by another guitarist. None of the parts were marked. The song goes through a half step modulation and then she indicated for me to solo over the chorus form (which is pretty simple by itself). As I was coming out of the last bar of the my solo (nodding to her that I was finished) she calls out "Bridge!" and actually starts singing the B part preceeding the chorus. Three guys spin around to their "charts" searching frantically for the right part within half a bar only to remember that we'd moved up since what was written. This singer can do a really great impersonation of Macy and afterwards a friend who came remarked how it sounded just like the record. All I remember is a couple of bars of sheer terror following the bass player by ear until I found my place. This singer has since written out her own legible chart which is clearly marked, and usually stays with the chorus after the solo switching into that Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls song which is basically the same progression.
So there's my singer horror stories. I don't think you've every done anything like that to a band. And if you start counting in Don't let me be Misunderstood at a Simone/Ford tempo, instead of forcing it into a boom-chick, the drummer should yell out to hold on since he doesn't understand what's going on.
Hope you're feeling better, we have the man in town next week. _________________ There are no such things as wrong notes, there's only the look on your face.
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In my experience, if a singer knows what key they want and knows how to count in a song, there a hero with the band. It's a little scary when someone says, "any key", or "what key do you usually do it in?" The worst was a singer who told me "I have a chart". But the chart was in Bb and she wanted to do it in E. I just said "next set" and transposed it during the break. Sight transposing and following her jumping around the arrangement didn't sound like fun. The first time I played that Macy Gray "Walk away and I stumble" song, I'd never heard it before but the singer produced a chart which had been scribbled down as a cheat sheet by another guitarist. None of the parts were marked. The song goes through a half step modulation and then she indicated for me to solo over the chorus form (which is pretty simple by itself). As I was coming out of the last bar of the my solo (nodding to her that I was finished) she calls out "Bridge!" and actually starts singing the B part preceeding the chorus. Three guys spin around to their "charts" searching frantically for the right part within half a bar only to remember that we'd moved up since what was written. This singer can do a really great impersonation of Macy and afterwards a friend who came remarked how it sounded just like the record. All I remember is a couple of bars of sheer terror following the bass player by ear until I found my place. This singer has since written out her own legible chart which is clearly marked, and usually stays with the chorus after the solo switching into that Don't Go Chasing Waterfalls song which is basically the same progression.
