Robben Ford Discussion

[Aeolian]

The science of dividing a frequency from it's double into twelve roughly equivilant tones such that there can be 7 different groupings where 7 of the tones are "right" while the remaining 5 tones are "wrong" but with the application of sufficient additional mathamatics there can be 400 ways to describe any grouping of 3 or more of the tones and an excuse created for the use of any of the "wrong" tones. :D
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[Bluelobster]

Yes Eole , but this only apply to Western Music, with a W like wanking.

This can't be applied in Eastern music where no notes are "wrong",
where they change fret's location whenever they want to change the mood .
That's why Blues is so funny(for me) : on a regular western (electric) guitar one can make ring notes which are not supposed to be there. ( Thanks to the Overdrive too).
You know how much exhausting is to have to think and work about harmony & theory. I am not ready to learn 400 equations to feel comfortable about clams. You just ruined my Saturday morning.
I think i am going to give up tea and go back to coffee

[kirk95]

Yikes..........
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[Aeolian]

Sorry Blob,

I greatly admire folks who know what they are doing and can remember this stuff while they are playing. Last night I stumbled across a shred/fusion/jazz guy sitting in for a horn player who knows this stuff inside out. The things he played just made me cry (ruined my Saturday morning when I had to come home and look at my collection of guitars and realized I'll never play like that).

This was kind of a joke about the enharmonic way of describing the same thing in a multitude of different explainations. And a plea of sorts from those of us who are less harmonically sophisticated for those who are to have patience with us and not get too esoteric. It's like learning how to play without havng learned to read. It takes us longer to catch on.
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[scottl]

Take some triadic substitutions and two aspirin and call me in the A.M.

hehe
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[iamthewalrus]

Two of my favorite musician quotes,

During the first RF clinic I attended while talking about his approach to guitar he said "I had to learn what notes not to play."

The other, by jazz pianist and sometime comedianMichael Wolff, "The great thing about jazz in you're only ever a half step from a good note.

http://www.michaelwolff.com/

Cheers!
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[frank0936]

I have read that when Chet Atkins was going to play with the Boston Pops, the conductor, Arthur Fiedler, asked if he could read music. Chet, who had studied under Segovia, answered, "Yes, sir. I can read music, but I try not to let it get in the way of my pickin'." Possibly Chet had heard that old joke before, but more than likely it was original.
Frank

[Aeolian]

You know, even though I launched this little joke, I consider it my biggest failing as a musician that I never learned to read music well enough to sit down with a book and play what's in it. Learning a new tune from a book or lead sheet can be a painful experience. At times I've gotten better but I really wish I had the patience and fortitude to get to the point where if I heard something I liked on the radio, I could go home, pull out the Real Book and just play it. There is so much great music out there and I feel like the illiterate who looks at the pictures in the magazines but doesn't know what the articles say.
The other thing, which I'm trying to work on, is learning the fingerboard well enough to apply what little theory I do know, and being able to learn some more. As our Moses says, if I can ever get the music I hear in my head to come out of my guitar, then we'll have something. I know from working with studied musicians that they recognize all these things that are a mystery to me. If I could combine my "street" chops with "those notes", then I could make some real music. Because I play "outside" by ear, many people think that I know what I'm doing. Usually I have no idea. I've just developed a knack for hearing outside intervals and getting back in one piece (usually).
So, we've had our jokes at the conservatories expense, how bout dropping us undeducated folk a few tidbits. For instance I've heard that there are other melodic minor (or whichever has the b3 but M7, I can never remember the name) substitutions than the raised 5th but don't know what they are.
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[frank0936]

Aeolian, you're right on target there. I do read some, but applying it to guitar is a different story. Someone told me once that playing guitar is like having 6 different instruments under your hands and you have to figure out which one to play which note on! I played in a band for a while with a guy who was a grad of GIT. His knowledge of theory and reading ability really was humbling. It made me realize how very little I do know. I'd love some hints on how to be a better reader, too.
Frank