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Aeolian
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone once told me that Robben actually preferred the Japanese guitars. But that doesn't wash with the idea that Gene was building them in the custom shop and Robben liked his work so much he followed him from Fender. Maybe somebody out there knows the genesis of Robben's and Gene's working relationship. There might have been a few made by someone else in the custom shop but when Robben got one of Gene's, they clicked. Just a theory.

I have to go back a dig a bit on the actual re-release date but I think it was in the late 80's, something like 87 or 89. So there are three distinct generations. The originals sold as 84 model year although actually made in 83 prior to the Fender buyout. The resurected ones made in the same Hoshino factory but with Duncan pickups and Robben's name on them. And the custom shop models. Just before leaving Fender, Robben had a bunch of variations made including a sunburst flamed maple top that had Fralin humbuckers. Fender also showed a flame top briefly in their catalog but as a non-chambered body.

It's a fun axe and definitely not your usual cup of tea. A lot of folks are really taken back trying to figure out what it is. A very articulate coil tapped humbucker guitar. In her pre-smooth jazz days, Joyce Cooling used to play one. Maybe she still takes it out on occasion. Of course remember who was playing it. And consider the confusion among the accomplished musicians on this board as to what guitar Robben played on a given song. And that he tends to record with guitars like the 54 goldtop that don't get out on the road and be seen in public.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: gotta have that feelin' Reply with quote

jconstant wrote:
juspasinby2003 wrote:
Oops! Sorry. Right you are about 94. The last list price through the Fender Custom Shop was more than 6K for the Ultra.


Wow! So maybe some of you here that know gear better than me can tell me why a RF guitar made in the Custom Shop is worth so much more than my Japanese RF model, which incidentally I think is a great guitar and happen to love. Side by side, do you think someone would be able to tell a huge difference in playability or sound?
I can tell you that every MIJ Ultra I have played has been equal to or better quality that the American Custom Shop equivalent. The Custom Shop couldn't keep up with production; so Fender bumped the price up year after year in an effort to curtail demand. It didn't work. I know some collectors that were ordering lots of 5 at a time. These were all master built by one Master Builder, Greg Fessler, from start to finish, and he simply could not keep up with orders. Fender tried moving the Elite to the "team built" line; so Greg could catch up with the Ultra orders, but that didn't work either. Finally, the line was discontinued, and rumors abound about why. I would rather not comment on that.

There is no intrinsic reason why the American Custom Shop guitars fetch a higher price in the used market other than their higher new price. There may be a perception in the maket that it is a better guitar, but IMO it is based on assumption and is not at all well founded. the Custom Shop QC got a little sloppy toward the end of the line; whereas, the MIJ model was consistently excellent.

I understand that Gene only built 20 or so RF's at fender. Most of the rest were built by Fessler. You can read how Gene was brought into the project on Gene's web site. Fender wanted to bring the model to the American Custom Shop, probably because of a falling out with the Japanese builder; so Gene was assigned to the project. He, in close collaboration with Robben, built 4 prototypes to show at NAMM (I used to own one), and the rest is history.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an Esprit Elite. It was made in 1984. The big deal was that the Ultra Esprit which Robben was playing was alder with a spruce top whereas the Elite was mahogany and probably maple. The Elite didn't have the responsive "hollow" sound that the Ultra did. Robben's Ultra had a Duncan '59 in the neck and an older Gibson humbucker in the bridge. Coil tap was on the neck P.U. only since the Gibson pickup was a two conducter type. The pickups on the Elite were ok. I didn't have any issues with them. In fact it was a really versatile guitar (also really HEAVY). I only got rid of mine because of some neck issues. I've always wanted an Ultra. Saw one a couple of months ago at the Columbus, OH guitar show for $999. I think I had ten dollars in my pocket. Bummer.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Tele clone Reply with quote

I'm embarking on the Quixiotic task of creating a Robben Tele clone. All parts are in hand. No use asking what's involved. Maybe a few details will be leaked.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:04 am    Post subject: guitars Reply with quote

marinblues wrote:
I guess we all have or have had a guitar like that.....Out of all my guitars, the one which "feels best" is incidently also the cheapest in terms of purchase price.
Laughing I have a beautiful SG nade by Jason Lollar in Washington and a great frankenstrat both not cheap, but my favorite guitar is a cheap Dean Tonic S. I have put Seth Lover pup's in it and a bigsby and ground the portion of the guitar my arm rests on as it had a sharp edge but it is mainly how it plays, the neck fits my hand and it has beautiful tone-the most expensive is not always the best.
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