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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:02 am    Post subject: Robben's Pickup Height Question for Daved Reply with quote

Hi Daved,

If you get a moment, could you please explain how you setup Robben's pickup height (particularly humbuckers)? Is Robben at all fussy about his pickup height?

In addition to the overall pickup height, I am very interested in whether Robben likes the individual pickup pole pieces to be set to certain heights, and, if so, what those heights might be.

Thank you, Daved.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Robben's Pickup Height Question for Daved Reply with quote

juspasinby2003 wrote:
Hi Daved,

If you get a moment, could you please explain how you setup Robben's pickup height (particularly humbuckers)? Is Robben at all fussy about his pickup height?

In addition to the overall pickup height, I am very interested in whether Robben likes the individual pickup pole pieces to be set to certain heights, and, if so, what those heights might be.

Thank you, Daved.

Juspasinby2003 (I gotta change my name!)


And while you're answering this question, I seem to recall you mentioning that Robben has lowered the action on this guitars recently. Could you elaborate on that? Is he still using 6100 frets, or has he gone with a smaller size now? I assume the Les Paul has the stock Gibson frets, or has that been changed too?

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Robben's Pickup Height Question for Daved Reply with quote

Bill Morgan wrote:
And while you're answering this question, I seem to recall you mentioning that Robben has lowered the action on this guitars recently. Could you elaborate on that? Is he still using 6100 frets, or has he gone with a smaller size now? I assume the Les Paul has the stock Gibson frets, or has that been changed too?


The Tele basically remains the same... high action, large frets.
With the Baker we've increased the height, ever so slightly, at the nut and brought the action down some, to a more common action height (slightly above "fretting out"), simply by lowering the bridge a little... no other changes have been made.
The new LP action is still fluctuating a little as we dial it in, but I would currently place it as somewhere between that of the Tele & the LP.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Robben's Pickup Height Question for Daved Reply with quote

juspasinby2003 wrote:
....could you please explain how you setup Robben's pickup height (particularly humbuckers)? Is Robben at all fussy about his pickup height?

In addition to the overall pickup height, I am very interested in whether Robben likes the individual pickup pole pieces to be set to certain heights, and, if so, what those heights might be.


I have worked with some artisits who are extremely critical of their pickup parameters (Joe Satriani coming quickly to mind with his special "Fred" pickups specifically harmonically wound and positioned especially for him, in addition to his constant personal tweaking of all things 'pickup-adjustable').

Like Joe, Robben hears a specific quality in 'his' sound, but the sound Robben hears is more organic and requires less designing & molding.

Robben is not super fussy. His pickups are set more with a concern over volume balance between the bridge and neck, as he does a good amount of pickup switching and combinations.

With a new guitar, I basically start one pickup (which one is kind of dependant upon what kind of sound and style that guitar will be primarily used for) about 1/4 inch from the strings and then move the whole pickup up or down for overall volume, and/or raise/lower one side or the other of the pickup for balance of high versus low strings, dependant upon both a tone and volume that feels comfortably balanced to Robben's ear and the audible effect of the magnetic pull on the strings (which can produce 'wobble' and deteriorated sustain on the notes if too close & strong).

Then we switch back and forth as I adjust the other pickup to a volume that Robben likes, relative to the first pickup.

Robben never desires to mess with pole adjustments, leaving them stock (if they are adjustable) as they are received from the factory.... usually just equally flat, or slightly raised, across the surface.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vely eeenteresting! Thank you, Daved.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Robben's Pickup Height Question for Daved Reply with quote

Daved wrote:
The new LP action is still fluctuating a little as we dial it in, but I would currently place it as somewhere between that of the Tele & the LP.



Has Robben left the stock pickups in the Gibson?

If so, do you know if they Gibson Burstbuckers?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marin,

Yes, they are the stock p/u's that came with the guitar.

Sorry, I don't know what brand & model they are. When I have a reason to pull them, I'll see if I can tell and then let you know.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Daved,

if it's a recent LP Historic, chances are that they are Burstbuckers:

http://www.gibsoncustom.com/Historic/LesPaulSeries/59LPStd.htm

I've heard good things about them but haven't had the opportunity to check them out.


Is Robben happy with his LP tone these days?


Marin

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marinblues wrote:
Is Robben happy with his LP tone these days?

Yes, he is very pleased with just about all aspects of his new acquisition.

marinblues wrote:
I'll be at the Erba concert on the 19th.

What a coincidence, I'll be there, too!! Wink
I've just been going over everyone's travel, and the gear transport, arrangements. Cya there!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression that Robben's Les Paul is a bit older - 1999 vintage or thereabouts. That would mean it has Classic '57 pickups, which despite not being "boutique" are thoroughly acceptable. Especially in Robben's hands. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression that Robben's Les Paul is a bit older - 1999 vintage or thereabouts. That would mean it has Classic '57 pickups, which despite not being "boutique" are thoroughly acceptable. Especially in Robben's hands. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right you are, Flavum. It is a late '90 issue. And, now that you've jogged my memory a bit, I do believe Robben said something about it having "57" pickups in it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if it's a 1999 model then they are probably not Burstbbucker which were first used on USA Gibson in 2000/2001.

Interesting....was the guitar in the shop for 5 years?

I actually had the chance of going to the San Jose GC last year, I probably saw it (I ended up playing a Yamaha Pacifica in the end for some reason).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This brings up an interesting idea about "aging" or breaking in of guitars. Aside from the wood drying out, it's been my experience that vibrating the guitar does it a whole lot of good. Obviously the best way to do this is to play it. I have one of those Epiphone archtops where the spruce is formed into shape instead of carved. While nice for the price, it always sounded kind of thin. Because it looked pretty, I set it in my living room inbetween the stereo speaker and the TV where it was fairly constantly assulted with sound. After about 3 years sitting there I took it out on a lark to use durring the first few songs at a wedding gig. What a magical transformation. The thing sounds way better now than it has a right to.
This even extends to the frequencies the guitar is exposed to. My uncle's guitar, who plays cowboy songs in C and G all the time, sounds noticeably better in those keys than in something completely unrelated like Ab, where it sounds almost new.
If you've ever been in the San Jose Guitar Center, you notice the employees wearing ear plugs to deal with the constant battery of folks wailing away on twenty things at once.
I wonder if hanging there for 4 years resonating to 10,000 versions of Stairway to Heaven helped this guitar to break in faster and behave like a vintage instrument.
BTW, the pickups may be stock, but someone had to replace the leads with four conductor wire in order to hook up that push pot coil tab switch.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2004 10:32 am    Post subject: woodden tones Reply with quote

This idea was once stated in an interview with Joe Satriani, for what i recall he said : the way you play shapes the whole woody thing to ring for , that's why he has some favorite guitars.
As a romantic i am really up with this and i like to think i am infesting my 2000 Korean Epi with MY tone , and i think it's coming .
Soon i'll put a JB in treble and a Vintage 57 in Neck.
Then i will continue to hurt the wood.
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