Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 122 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:38 am Post subject: New Bob Burt 1X12 EVM cab and Robben Tone
Hi,
Check out these clips. This picture is how everything was set. 1 EVM12L in the cab, 15 degree angle on baffle too. Oval port in back. I used my Baker RF. The Fuchs is the latest latest revisions, just completed last night!
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 886 Location: SF Bay Area
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject:
Scott, is this the blind taste test? I like number 2 better listening to them here at home. It's more open sounding.
Cool looking cab. Does the pine take any of the weight out of the head? Great sounding 1-12 too, usually narrow cabs tend to sound like of stuffy and closed in.
Which head is that? I'm running pretty similar settings. But if I turn the master that high on my 100W at a gig, I'll hurt somebody, much less recording clips at home. You must have either a great sound proofed room or an understanding family.
Awesome playing too. Made great "impressions" on me. _________________ There are no such things as wrong notes, there's only the look on your face.
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Nice!!! I'm totally enjoying my Fuchs... It has so many options. I pulled the two EV's in my cabinet and put V30's in there, which I really like, but then I never played the EV's with the band, so maybe I'll put the EV's back in there before the next gig. I was taking the head (shucks, I take it everywhere) to rehearsal, where I have an 8ohm Carvin cabinet with their BR 100W speakers in it. The Fuchs was really just too loud. SO, I pulled the two middle tubes, which changed the output impedence more to the 8ohm range, reduces the watts somewhat, put the cabinet on end on the floor and put my pedalboard case kind of in front of it...Voila, once again, tone for days...at a reasonable volume. It is just SO inspiring to play with that tone...everybody loves it!!!
Question, I know that Andy prefers EV style speakers with his amps, but he didn't explain why. Do you know? What are the advantages to your mind in using EV's or other more efficient, flatter speakers as opposed to V30's or such? By the way, I sold my DR Z Route 66 to Jim Fogarty from this list. He said he played yours one day and had to have one of his own. I can totally understand.
Mike.
I've had my Fuchs ODS-100 since March (or maybe February), and I'm still having a heck of a time dialing in my tone at reasonable volume. If I set my amp like Scott's, I'd be blowing people over at 30 feet.
I've spoken at length with Andy (and once on the phone with Scott), and the general consensus is that one needs to set the master volume up around 12 to 1 o'clock and then adjust the input volume to get a good clean volume. Umm...that would be just a hair above "off". Just the slightest bit higher becomes deafeningly loud.
If I lower the master volume a bit, then the ratio of clean to OD volumes becomes hard to manage - I have to crank the OD volume to keep up with the clean volume. I get better results on the Jazz setting than the Rock setting, although I prefer the more aggresive overall tone of the Rock setting.
Basically, I spend each gig twiddling and tweaking after every song, and I'm really frustrated at this point. I think going for 100 watts may have been a mistake, although I imagine that a 50-watt model would be just about as loud. I was concerned with being able to get good clean tones at gigging volume, and the Fuchs can certainly do that without trouble. My old Boogie MkIIC+, although similar in design, was very much "set it and forget it". Not so with my Fuchs.
Don't get me wrong - I love the sounds it's capable of, but I just may bitten off more watts than I can chew, so to speak.
FWIW, I use a Jeff Swanson 2x12" loaded with NOS Cerwin Vega PS12s which are incredible sounding speakers. Whatever amp I run through them (Fuchs, '68 Marshall 50-watt, Matchless SC30) sounds superb.
Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 122 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:01 pm Post subject:
You need the revisions... It definately reduces the preamp sensativity and allows for a better balance. Contact Andy about them. Or if you are handy with a soldering gun, I can walk you through them.
You need the revisions... It definately reduces the preamp sensativity and allows for a better balance. Contact Andy about them. Or if you are handy with a soldering gun, I can walk you through them.
Scott
Scott,
Do you know if or when a conversion kit for the new revisions might become available?
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 886 Location: SF Bay Area
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:41 am Post subject:
Flavum wrote:
This is frustrating...
I've had my Fuchs ODS-100 since March (or maybe February), and I'm still having a heck of a time dialing in my tone at reasonable volume. If I set my amp like Scott's, I'd be blowing people over at 30 feet.
Basically, I spend each gig twiddling and tweaking after every song, and I'm really frustrated at this point. I think going for 100 watts may have been a mistake, although I imagine that a 50-watt model would be just about as loud. I was concerned with being able to get good clean tones at gigging volume, and the Fuchs can certainly do that without trouble. My old Boogie MkIIC+, although similar in design, was very much "set it and forget it". Not so with my Fuchs.
Interesting experience. My 100W ODS has more interactivity between the OD out and the Master than my mod does but with the master around 9:00 and the OD out wide open, it's managable. With one Eminence Tonker, that makes it fairly loud for a small club but you don't have to wack the guitar for every note, this leave some nice room for dynamics within a riff.
I had a IIC+ many years ago and found it to be really finicky. The slightest bump of a knob and the sound was all off. In contrast, the Fuchs only has to have the knobs in more or less the same area and it feels comfortable.
Here's a trick I learned from a friend with a MkIII. Put the Fuchs effects loop into series mode and put something in the loop that has a volume control. This way you can turn the master up and use the effect return as a overall master. You are running all the signal though some cheap op amps in your effect but for some reason, even though the amp loop is already buffered, I find this sounds better than just jumping the loop and using the loop level controls.
You can get some really interesting sounds jumping the loop in series and turning up the loop level controls. This is something the K&M mods and Custom relied on. Unfortunately, this makes the rig even louder. For some reason the jump from OD to clean becomes less, but it's still pretty strong.
Sometimes less efficient speakers can help. I played Friday with my 2-12 Celestion 65 cab which is noticeably less efficient than the Tonker. This let me get the master up around 10:00 which helped a lot. _________________ There are no such things as wrong notes, there's only the look on your face.
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Thanks for the tips guys. I'm already using a TC 2290 in my effects loop, so I'd prefer not to set the loop to series operation.
I'll give Andy a call about the latest mods and ask what my options are. I was also thinking that maybe just using a different pot with a different curve (linear vs. audio or vise versa) might enable me to use my master volume more effectively.
And another option would be to buy a Rodenberg Flex-loop and integrate that into my setup to control levels (set the Fuchs to series, and the Flex-loop to parallel). But that's another $350 +/- just to control my volume. Might be a bit excessive.
Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 122 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:03 am Post subject:
If Andy is busy (I'm sure he is!), I can fill you in Tom. Just buzz me at work. 800-932-0037 I'll tell you exactly what the changes are and what they do.
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Great sounding 1-12 too, usually narrow cabs tend to sound like of stuffy and closed in.
