Hello, i've not take any time to scrutinize this site which seems to be intresting, but i find these kind of chart you linked extremely boring it's like a tab for thoughts, if u see waddamean , we all aspiring musicians want food for thoughts.
You can't play a note you've never heard in your mind, or yes maybe you can but you'll never have the taste.
Same like our great Dude overthere , ScottL, posted his tips for impro, you may still can find this in this section, that's great to know you can play "##"scale over a "%%" progression but if you don't beat the shit out of your brain practicing this at least 4 hours a day (and i am kind) it will never work.
'nuff said welcome .
Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Southern California
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:06 am Post subject:
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i find these kind of chart you linked extremely boring...
That's too bad.
I find every single thing that relates to music extremely exciting. I guess some of us have passion and some don't. However, it has been my experience that attitudes change and hopefully yours will gain the appreciation and interest that so many of us share - so hang in there _________________ If you dig Jazz visit
www.apassion4jazz.net
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 8:17 am Post subject:
Hey Blue,
Patience, persistence, and determination. That's what you need to make progress with this. It is not easy. If it were you would hear everybody using it. That's why you don't. Remember the idea is to learn the theory so well, internalize it, that you don't have to think about it anymore - you are totally free.
Now when you look at the Lerner sheets as a whole, it looks so overwhelming. But if you break it down into really small digestible chunks it's much easier to learn. The key is take it slow!
For example, just work on playing melodic minor 1/2 step above your V7 chords. Just work on that for a couple weeks.
Key of G:
Blues Chord: G7, C7 and D7 (V7)
Play your normal blues lines until you hit the D7, then play Eb melodic minor, then resolve back to a blues lick when you hit G7 chord. Just work on that 15 mins a day for 1 week. Work on making it resolve. Use your ears to determine what works and what doesn't. Record the changes real slow then gradually bring up the speed. Then transpose to new keys and new positions on the guitar. You get that one thing down cold, now move on to something new.
Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 71 Location: northern California
Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
Kirk95 is right. It's baby steps. Sometimes I can wrap my tiny little brain around some things; other days I just blob out and cannot grasp certain things.
And I can't and don't practice hours a day. I practice for an hour a day most days. That's all I have time for. And I do what little I can do in that time. Some days I spend on chords. Other days I spend on melodies. Another day I'll spend on scales and arpeggios, etc.
But it's like building on a foundation. You don't put the roof on if you don't have a house framed. And you don't frame a house if there's no foundation.
Meaning, one thing leads to another. Once you get one thing, it helps you understand the next thing - however small it may be. Learning how to add and subtract leads to learning how to mulitply and divide.
So learn whatever you can when you can. It all connects. _________________ www.mrseamusic.com
I tried to say that : This is better to work this stuff reading music (staff?rather than looking a bunch of numbers (which is handy when you have a certain degree of knowledge).
It's funny that i find these 2 sites the same day. I prefer the chopsFactory,
1st visually then the sustance , stuff online is much more consequent & teaching oriented. Thanks for your concern , i am still passionate with(about?) music. And thanks for the tips.
Blob
Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 289 Location: Baltimore, Md
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: Thanks, Blob !!!
Hey, that's a cool site!
But some of those voicings look impossible to play unless you're Tal Farlow...does anybody use the end of their nose as an extra finger to fret with???
BTW, speaking of things I find impossible, do any of youse guys use those false harmonics, a la Breau, Andress, Gatton, et al? I saw Tuck Andress in a clinic and forgot to ask him for a demo..doh! (I understand how it's done, but I'll be danged in I can do it.)
I understood what you meant the first time, Blob. It's just a language thing, guys. Blob's a GIT grad; so he knows how to build on simple but solid foundations.
Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 71 Location: northern California
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject:
Yeah, I understand now. I thought at first that he meant he didn't understand any of that stuff. But I see that what he meant was the method of learning. _________________ www.mrseamusic.com
Patience, persistence, and determination. That's what you need to make progress with this. It is not easy. If it were you would hear everybody using it. That's why you don't. Remember the idea is to learn the theory so well, internalize it, that you don't have to think about it anymore - you are totally free.
Now when you look at the Lerner sheets as a whole, it looks so overwhelming. But if you break it down into really small digestible chunks it's much easier to learn. The key is take it slow!
For example, just work on playing melodic minor 1/2 step above your V7 chords. Just work on that for a couple weeks.
Key of G:
Blues Chord: G7, C7 and D7 (V7)
Play your normal blues lines until you hit the D7, then play Eb melodic minor, then resolve back to a blues lick when you hit G7 chord. Just work on that 15 mins a day for 1 week. Work on making it resolve. Use your ears to determine what works and what doesn't. Record the changes real slow then gradually bring up the speed. Then transpose to new keys and new positions on the guitar. You get that one thing down cold, now move on to something new.
That's how you do it. It's a lifetime process!
Good luck!
Kirk is spot on here, and the way he puts it, it doesn't sound so overwhelming, and, remember, you get to keep and use everything you acquire along the way. So, you just keep getting better and more versatile every day, step by step. Easy, huh?
Scott's sheet gets a little cryptic for me in some parts, but you can tell that he put a whole lot of work into the distillation of all that knowledge, and it can be a very useful tool. Trouble is, if the dog should happen to eat even just one of the pages, you're in deep dog doodie!
Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject: arf&woof
- bravo !
exellent !
-did you study music ?
swell ! :
now you can study life in general ,my captain ,sir !
kirk95 wrote:
Hey Blue,
Patience, persistence, and determination. That's what you need to make progress with this. It is not easy. If it were you would hear everybody using it. That's why you don't. Remember the idea is to learn the theory so well, internalize it, that you don't have to think about it anymore - you are totally free.
Now when you look at the Lerner sheets as a whole, it looks so overwhelming. But if you break it down into really small digestible chunks it's much easier to learn. The key is take it slow!
For example, just work on playing melodic minor 1/2 step above your V7 chords. Just work on that for a couple weeks.
Key of G:
Blues Chord: G7, C7 and D7 (V7)
Play your normal blues lines until you hit the D7, then play Eb melodic minor, then resolve back to a blues lick when you hit G7 chord. Just work on that 15 mins a day for 1 week. Work on making it resolve. Use your ears to determine what works and what doesn't. Record the changes real slow then gradually bring up the speed. Then transpose to new keys and new positions on the guitar. You get that one thing down cold, now move on to something new.
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:16 am Post subject:
The numbers system is important in music. The relationships in music are relative. Rather than learn those relationships 12x, you can learn them 1x then apply them to all 12 keys.
Example:
C, F, G
F, Bb, C
Bb, Eb, F
Eb, Ab, Bb
Ab, Db, Eb
Db, Gb, Ab
Gb, Cb, Db
B, E, F#
E, A, B
A, D, E
D, G, A
G, C, D
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bravo !
,my captain ,sir 
!
