Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 943 Location: Terra Firma, Ether Sea
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2003 1:11 pm Post subject: The Bad, The Good, and the Most Excellent!
The bad:
The record release party on the 8th has been cancelled.... seems someone at the Key Club double booked the date and we got bumped.
The Good:
Instead, we'll use that day to get together with the band and rehearse material from the new album for performance during the tour.
The Most Excellent:
Dal tells me that he has struck a deal with COX Cable for a 3 camera shoot of the first show of the tour at the CoachHouse this Thursday. _________________ B C-ing U!
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"This boy's diseased with rhythm!" -Bing Crosby (Road To Rio, '49)
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 943 Location: Terra Firma, Ether Sea
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 10:40 am Post subject:
kirk95 wrote:
Will the video be released as a DVD?
Sorry, David, but I have not the slightest idea... that's not my department. I've only been told to prepare for 3 cameras to be in my way... LOL
But, since it is being filmed by a cable company, my GUESS would be that it's being done for airplay & not specifically for sale. I really don't even know how COX plans to use the footage (as part of another feature or as a self contained show).
If I hear of anything further, I'll be sure to let everyone know.
_________________ B C-ing U!
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"This boy's diseased with rhythm!" -Bing Crosby (Road To Rio, '49)
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 943 Location: Terra Firma, Ether Sea
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:03 am Post subject: Latest bad news
Robben has decided that his rules for recording are too complicated for many fans to understand so he has simplified them down to just NO during the shows.
No photos
No audio
No video
No nothing
Sorry gang. _________________ B C-ing U!
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"This boy's diseased with rhythm!" -Bing Crosby (Road To Rio, '49)
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:03 pm Post subject:
Sorry to hear that!
I think I should rename this thread:
The Bad, The Good, and the most DISSAPOINTING!
With all due respect and I mean the upmost respect, this defies logic! on many levels!
1> will this enhance Robben's relationship with his fans?
2> will this increase record sales?
3> will this enhance Robben's marketing efforts which are already very very low?
4> will this increase live ticket sales?
The only thing that has changed is photos? I don't get it! What's the big deal?
When we post photos over here traffic spikes and we get new members to sign up and more people engaged in discussion about Robben. I would think that is a good thing and that it promotes 1-4!
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 943 Location: Terra Firma, Ether Sea
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:46 am Post subject:
kirk95 wrote:
With all due respect and I mean the upmost respect, this defies logic! on many levels!
1> will this enhance Robben's relationship with his fans?
2> will this increase record sales?
3> will this enhance Robben's marketing efforts which are already very very low?
4> will this increase live ticket sales?
The only thing that has changed is photos? I don't get it! What's the big deal?
It's quite simple really. The big deal is that FLASH photos have ALWAYS been a big deal with Robben and people continue to IGNORE that.
Robben understands your disappointment as he is disappointed that fans cannot seem to respect his wishes about flash photography and that he feels forced into having to make this decision.
Photography has never had anything to do with Ticket sales, record sales, or marketing and only affects the fan relationship of those who attend his shows to take pictures. Robben is more interested in his relationship with those who want to hear his music.
He is just sooooo tired of people ignoring his request for no flash, even when we make preshow announcements or post signs around the stage and at the venue entrances or when he personally asks them from the stage not to do it (and believe me, I regularly have to leave the stage to go reinforce this to audience members when they continue to distract Robben with their cameras), that he feels banning cameras all together is the only alternative he has left.
Robben has always tried to meet the fans halfway with photos, but the flash photo freaks continually defied him, so he feels this is what he must do. He feels his shows should be about the music, not the photos which distract his performance and he feels is distracting to the majority of the audience who come to see & hear the show, not to watch lots of flashing lights.
Since the photographers refused to put away their flash attachments, even after continued request from Robben, he has decided it is best just to have the cameras put away all together.
Not his fault... rather the fault of those who continually disrespect his wishes thus ruining it for everyone. _________________ B C-ing U!
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"This boy's diseased with rhythm!" -Bing Crosby (Road To Rio, '49)
Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Posts: 1043 Location: Boulder, CO
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:11 am Post subject:
Daved wrote:
Robben has always tried to meet the fans halfway with photos, but the flash photo freaks continually defied him, so he feels this is what he must do. He feels his shows should be about the music, not the photos which distract his performance and he feels is distracting to the majority of the audience who come to see & hear the show, not to watch lots of flashing lights.
Since the photographers refused to put away their flash attachments, even after continued request from Robben, he has decided it is best just to have the cameras put away all together.
Not his fault... rather the fault of those who continually disrespect his wishes thus ruining it for everyone.
Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Posts: 328 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:35 am Post subject:
Drop out of warp, Captain!
You must know how it looks when people start to flash out of a dark theatre! You'll get dark spots for several minutes. Not nice if you'are in the middle of a solo. I agree it is dissapointing, in fact I planned to take my brand new digital camera to the Amsterdam concert, but now I don't.
As simple as that. I repect Robben's decision, although it is bitter.
Now I can focus on his music and his performance even more, though!
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 943 Location: Terra Firma, Ether Sea
Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 2:21 pm Post subject:
Dave, Robben and I both agree with you, It DOES suck.
It makes it hard on everyone, including me.... in that if even I take photos, even with Robben's approval, and fans see me doing it, then they'll feel they should also have the right, whether it is gotten from Robben or not, and that opens a whole 'nother kettle of worms.
But, to Robben at present, it sucks even more when his concentration/vibe is broken/distracted, or he is blinded in the middle of that awesome, once in a lifetime performance because some people insist on taking advantage of his generosity when he DID allow still photography.
If people would only learn to respect the wishes of the artists they so admire, those artists wouldn't have to resort to extremes like this, and it could be a much simpler and pleasant world for all, don'cha think?
And, in some ways, the really sad part is that you KNOW that, just as with audio & video recording, some people STILL are going to ignore his wishes and continue to take unauthorized photos both with and without flash, eventually forcing Robben to have to do something even more extreme, unpleasant, and undesirable for all. _________________ B C-ing U!
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"This boy's diseased with rhythm!" -Bing Crosby (Road To Rio, '49)
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:20 am Post subject: Recording shows
I can understand the problem with flash photography. I just wish he'd change his policy on taping. There's a whole fan base that trade recordings of bands that allow taping, such as the Funky Meters, the Radiators, Widespread Panic, Phish, etc. The whole concept of fans trading recordings of the Funky Meters is what keeps their fanbase going! George Porter, Jr., who is the original bassist for the Meters, occasionally releases a number of recordings to be forwarded in a tree, which gets a whole new group of fans into the music. Seems like Robben would fit right into this type of crowd, if he allowed recording at the shows. 99% of shows that come across my CD player are at least good quality, if not excellent quality, and it certainly doesn't hurt the band to have more material out there.
Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 401 Location: College Station, TX
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 11:00 am Post subject:
I say respect the man and his wishes. Period. This is like arguing with my seven year old!
And besides, I really don't understand the big deal about wanting to take pics. Maybe this is just about how I process experiences, but in my mind a picture does nothing to enhance my memory of an event. The first time I saw RF was about 30 years ago when he was with Spoon and I will never forget the experience - not having a picture does not diminish the experience! It is still as strong in my mind as it was when I walked out of the show.
And the same goes for the gear - does it really matter how he sets his pedal board? This is not what music is all about! Elizabeth is a lot closer to the essence of the muse with her shoe fetish!
I'm one of those who doesn't understand the need for pictures of a performer. Video would be cool, but still pictures I don't get.
On the taping issue: "Jam" bands typically tour constantly and draw large crowds everywhere they go. They make almost all of their $ from touring, and a very small percentage from retail CD sales. Newer "Jam" bands that are working to attract larger audiences, use taping and trading as the way to spread the word. On the other hand...
... RF doesn't draw jam-band size crowds, nor does he tour constantly. So I suspect he derives a much bigger percentage of his overall $$ from CD sales. And I truly believe that concert tapes and bootlegs would significantly cut into his retail CD sales. Personally, I'd rather listen to live RF and studio RF, and I'll bet many others here feel the same way.
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but I have not the slightest idea... that's not my department. I've only been told to prepare for 3 cameras to be in my way... LOL
