Robben Ford Discussion

[DUBWISER]

G'day,

I've seen some material of Robbens' on one of these file sharing sites but can't seem to find them in any catologue. There is an album called 'Robben Ford & the Ford Blues Band - 'A Tribute to Paul Butterfield' I'd like to buy this album if it isn't a bootleg. Also there is concerts :- 'Robben Ford Live at the Filmore' and also Live at the House of Blues not the best of quality. Anyonr know anything about these:?:

DUBWISER!

[henkholland]

The 1st one is the only one that was official releaed as a studio recording. A live concert was once available by internet. The 2nd show was braodcasted on radio. The 3rd show by internet on HOB.
Henk

[Aeolian]

The Butterfield tribute was produced by Robben's older brother Pat, who has a label called Blue Rockit. You can buy the album directly from him http://www.bluerockit.com/ or at more enlightened music stores.

The others are absolute illegal bootlegs and I respect Robben's feelings about piracy in not supporting this. There are a few albums out of older material that Robben has no rights to and get's no residuals from either. Some of these can be found in album bins. I know that Discovering The Blues is one of them. About the most aggitated I ever saw Robben was when someone came up to him with one of these and he was explaining how he didn't have anything to do with it. He was such a gentleman about it, but you could tell it bugged him. However, I think the Witherspoon Live at the Mint from the same label is one that Robben is covered on. Maybe Dal or someone can give us a rundown on official releases.
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[DUBWISER]

Cheers guys,
I will look for the paul butterfield tribute album. I already have the one with Jimmy Witherspoon (its the dogs nuts!) also; 'Discovering The Blues', 'The Charles Ford Blues Band- A Reunion', 'Robben Ford - Blues Collection'. Are these the other albums you mentioned? As for the bootlegs, I can understand Robbens' dissatisfaction with piracy, but like anyone with an insatiable apetite with particular musical artists and / or genres I'm well chuffed at the possibility of being able to access them when conventional methods are either insufficient or non existant. I am always on the look out for new or alternative material and yes, I've found the odd gem in 'Bargain Baskets'. Perhaps my whole point is that of File Sharing / Piracy as a further point to discuss. My own position on this subject as you might well guess is Pro! After all, surely he made a few bob playing the gig in the first place?

Sorry Robben!
DUBWISER!

[Aeolian]

I can appreciate your interest in acquireing as much material as possible. And live Robben is the best. I was thrilled when Daved reported that a live album is a possibility.

Check though some of the old threads and you will find that Robben has strong feelings about unauthorized releases. There are many valid points raised by others about the usefullness of more widely available music. But the word from Robben's camp is very clear.

Also be aware that both Robben and his wife are registered members of this board. Although Robben is incognito and we don't know which, if any, responses are his.
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[DUBWISER]

Point taken!

DUBWISER!

[Bluelobster]

Hi Dubwiser , i would encourage you to download whatever music you find on a sharing site, trading for love of music is not really making money out of an artist. The shows you are talking about worth the listening even if they don't sound first rate.
Last month i find my holy grail on one of these site : 50 CD of Hendrix Music........there was even a little of Robben Ford (not so much and not a big deal), Janis Joplin in 69, Electric flag.............

Don't listen to the HYPOCRITS, you know like in the bible : pharisians.

Everyone on this site is FULL of Ford Bootlegs. But they "ignore " it ......

[JohnnyZ]

[Bluelobster]

as an example here is the result of a quick search on a site .
Search results for "robben ford"
<< Prev Next >>
1 - 13 | 14 - 14
Robben Ford Live at The Bottom line, NY. DVD 1990.06.18
Robben Ford and The Blue Line L A Studio Session with michiya DVD
Robben Ford Yoshi's 5-20-98 Excellent FM Broadcast
Brecker Brothers with WDR Big Band 2003 & Robben Ford 2004 DVD
Live Under The Sky 1985 and 1981 DVD - Sonny Rollins, Santana with Herbie Hancock, Stanley Clarke, Larry Graham, Crusaiders
Marc Ford & The Sinners 2001-07-13 The Mint, LA, CA
The Hoax Legacy Park, Fort Collins, CO 8/95 FM Broadcast
DON HENLEY 26 Aug 2004 MICHIGAN --
Nanci Griffth - Cambridge Folk Fest 1992
John Stewart : Merseyside, England - 5th August 1984
Danny Gatton Austin City Limits 1991 DVD (NTSC)
The Black Crowes 05-17-1995 liberated boot "Amoricans"
Joan Baez - Montreux Jazz Festival 14.July 1989

Why not enjoying this , tomorrow or later it will be closed by the merchants. the ones ruling this world without having ever put their feet in real shit>> Plus in this site nothing commercial is uploaded<

In the eighties Bootleggers were selling outboards tapes of live concert in K7 they were boycotted by a lot of people, they were mainly selling to students of NICE university and they ended in jail like i said in an other threads here in france it4s not possible to deal a bootleg on Ebay<

I know people downloading so much they don4t even find time to listen to the music<
Others end in ;usic store because they want it all<

i think this is really a false problem , remember the first K7 recorders and find out about your real motivations when you did get your first,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Bluelobster]

I had rather to speak from heart since i am not playing my guitar, i mean i dont want talk the politically Korrekt kind of babbling,
So i have never buy a bootleg , that is for real, even being a wild Hendrix fan , the day i was offered some boots in a shop i was disgusted and depressed . How a DORKIE like that can make any money out of MY Jimi...
But the day i had the opportunity to buy a REVOX way back in the 70.s the doors of multirecording were opening for me aspirant guitar player AS WELL AS the fact i could go to anybody place and get 10 lp s with 3 tapes SMART ...........when you are a starving young or more musician and you need to listen to music ,serious music, you cant afford to pay as much as a rent on music , YOU NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM<
So the 80 s and K7 were just a matter of miniaturisation and loss of quailty
by the way i still have a plenty of these tapes but i dont know if they are in good shape. Stomu yamashta, Mahavishnu,Gato barbieri, Hatfield and the North, Larry Corryell, Weather report, Gong, Bill Bruford, .................But a serious STEP in being able to get your own experiences on tapes....
So what . Taping is bad , you just not do taping< OK .

I will hide not stop , i 4ve been in a Steve Hillage concert and ask him if he didnt mind i tape , he introduced me to the soundman in order to make ;e a mix

This is the Way i envisualize it . you give music to the people and they ask what is this so you answer then they go and buy , a lot of people they get hooked and they want the real thing so they go and buy , it4s all benefices for everybody, just a few are copying , simple as a greating<<<<<<<

[DUBWISER]

G'DAY,
I have been a fan of Robben's music for about 12 years now purchasing albums by chance or on release even at his concerts. Furthermore, it was and is not my intention to cause offense to Robben or any of his followers.

It appears that feelings on both sides of the argument. I would like to make a few points and offer a different perspective. While it is indeed the smaller more specialized labels, who provide an essential medium for enthusiasts of rare or non-mainstream music, that stand to lose most from piracy, they may well be the end point for anybody conducting their own personal 'archaelogical dig' into a particular artist or artistes' past recordings or perfomances. Such specimens are rare and bootegs are often of poor quality.

There is an essential distinction that should be a noted between people who share files and bootleggers. Bootleggers have a purely selfish interest in profit over quality. Where as there is no financial profit in sharing files and furthermore, there may be a positive aspect with regards to 'spreading the word' thus implicitly enhancing record sales and gig attendances. Everybody's happy!

Perhaps this rather evangelical perspective is one bourne out of naivety? Maybe we need to review the way music is made available through the use of new technologies. It is the ever-diminishing handful of multinational record/entertainment companies who, incidently, make the hardware available to the consumer to do what it is they are making the most noise about. A storm in a teacup? Home Taping revisited? Who knows? I suggest we as fans of Robben and any other artist, we support these small companies by maintaining contact by mailing lists or through affiliated websites like this and word of mouth and spread the word!



Regards
DUBWISER!

[JohnnyZ]

I still say that Robben is our beloved "Blobby" in disguise...
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[BlueRunner]

I'm wondering if the bootlegging and file-sharing issue is one of these "situational ethics" things. Unfortunately, much of it stems from technology getting ahead of ethics, laws and etiquette.

A little history: 30-40 years ago, your only mass-market source of high-fidelity recorded music was the 33-1/3 rpm LP. There was no economical method of duplicating the LP, i.e., no "home pressing" kit. If you wanted to make copies for your friends, or even sell copies, you copied the LP to cassette or quarter-inch reel-to-reel tape. But the process was slow, and the fidelity began to degrade rapidly, not only as you recorded from one medium to another, but within the copy itself, as the tape began to decay. Nothing was as good as the LP, so record labels didn't worry a whole lot. As for surreptitiously taping a live show, good luck hauling a reel-to-reel, mikes, booms, etc. into the venue without being noticed. Anything smaller (e.g., a miniature cassette machine) yielded horrible audio. I.e., you could bootleg, but who in the heck would want the product?

Fast forward to the digital age. Supposedly, because the sound is captured as a distinct (albeit massive) collection of little ones and zeros in a database, you can make copy after copy, from one digital medium to another, with absolutely no degredation. My daugher can buy a new CD, download it into one of those little chewing-gum pack-sized peripheral memory sticks, play it thorugh a laptop into an anolog telephone line for her sister, who can capture it on her computer, and burn me a disc that sounds exactly like the original $16.00 CD. Tiny digital recorders can pull sound off a P.A., and the data can be run through filter programs to produce a "live" album that sounds almost as good as an authorized live album from a few years ago. One can buy a CD (or get the data from someone else's CD), download it into a web site, and pass it out to anyone in the world who happens to have a computer connected to the internet.

Because the technology is so pervasive, there may be no way to stop bootlegging, duplicating and sharing. But if you can't "beat 'em," how can you "join 'em"?

One solution I like, if only there's a way to make it work: Make live music the "new" recorded music. If you want to hear a musician live, you have to be there in person, and so does the musician. No computer program in the world can do it for you. Maybe we'll enter an era where the real money is actually made in live performances (e.g., audiences actually begin paying what it's worth to hear live music), and no one will really care about the pervasive "fake" music available for free on the internet.
I.e., bootlegs, shared files, etc., will be so pervasive that people will value them at all.

Of course, the ascendence of live performance will work only until hologram technology is perfected. Just imagine: Robben appears live in five different cities, on five different continents, at the same time! And MY hologram buys a ticket and attends each of the five concerts in person! (While the "real" me stays home and watches the Jessica Simpson Show on TV.)

Whew. Boggles the mind.
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[Bluelobster]

Please keep on with mind boggling games like this

[Aeolian]

You'd have to ask Elizabeth. She drove Blob to an Ojai clinic and presumably has seen them in the same room, although I can't swear to this.

Dubwiser. I completely understand how you feel. You are not trying to rip off anyone, only enjoy performances of an artist you like. I'm not sure where Robben's feelings come from. Maybe being ripped off by those couple albums out there, maybe whatever transpired between lables that kept him out of the Yellowjackets. While being very personable and accessible as an artist, he does keep his private life, well, private. And if he doesn't feel like sharing the reasons behind his feelings, that's his perogative. He gives of himself in the form of music and public appearances of his choosing. Contrary to popular belief, we don't own him. I never bought into the notion that once in the public eye, you give up all rights to your life. Robben is an artist. Seperate from us. he goes into the studio or up on a stage and creates something we enjoy. That he opens himself up at the Ojai Womens Center a couple times a year is great. But he's there to share the artistic vision. And pass the vision to others. And he has made it very clear that he does not like any unauthorized use of his artistry, in whatever form. Again, that's his perogative. And as someone pointed out in a previous thread on the subject, like a parent telling their kid not to do something, there's a point were an explaination is not required. "Because I said so" should be enough. Now Robben does allow taping of his clinics, in fact he asked here for a clean copy for himself. But those of us who have them need to be very careful. If they ever got into the public domain, someone would try to abuse them and we would all lose the privilege. Not worth it in my opinion. Course I can't prevent someone from disagreeing with me, or even releasing material and blowing it for me and everyone else down the road. That's the nature of our free society. I can only put out my opinions and hope for the best.

FWIW I agree with the promotional value of making things available. Every mediocre thing I've recorded is available on my web site, in it's entirety. I could be ripped off by anyone. Saving grace is that the material would have to be worth ripping off.
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