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BT: GA&F Live at Penn's Peak 1/21/05
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Phil T
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are many members here who have no clude what a Bit Torrent is or what or how to deal with FLAC files.

In my case, you are so right about that kirk.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kirk95,
You mentioned that there are GA&F "...shows..." posted at easytree.org and everydayjones. I did found one show at everydayjones but did not find anything at easytree.org. Did you mean just one show or are/were there others. Don't want to miss anything. Robben is great in this lineup and I really enjoy the mix of instruments and Greggs voice, the jazzy sax lines. Very fresh.

By the way, thanks to all who have made these available.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart Vessels wrote:
Kirk95,
You mentioned that there are GA&F "...shows..." posted at easytree.org and everydayjones. I did found one show at everydayjones but did not find anything at easytree.org. Did you mean just one show or are/were there others. Don't want to miss anything. Robben is great in this lineup and I really enjoy the mix of instruments and Greggs voice, the jazzy sax lines. Very fresh.

By the way, thanks to all who have made these available.


Just one show that I am aware of and it was on everydayjones....The Penn's Peak Show. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm a little confused. There are no public soundboard recordings being made available and this posted set list includes songs that either have never been learned by this band ("Rendezvous"???)....

People in the Gregg Allman camp have now heard this recording. The concensus is that it is the actual show it is said to be, however, the song listed as "Rendezvous" is actually "House Of Blues".
And, altho the tape is an excellent recording, it is not a board tape, but just a well done house recording. The ONLY board tapes being made are done by Gregg's front-of-house man and Gregg has stressed to Rich that he wants those tapes to be delivered directly into Gregg's hands... he does not want those tapes going public. Gregg is only allowing public recordings because it is something they have traditionally allowed with the Brothers Band and although Gregg wishes they had never started allowing it in the first place (He feels it opened a keg-of-worms and has in the over all picture proved detrimental thru loss of revenue and control over his own material & performances and more of a headache than anything else), he feels it is a monster out of control but that he is now unfortunately "stuck" with having to cater the the tapers at his GA&F shows, but he is rigidly drawing the line at recordings off the board.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've championed Robben's anti-piracy stance many times in this forum. But I will say that I really enjoyed getting to hear something that I wouldn't otherwise. And that if Gregg brings this band to the west coast, these recordings clinched the deal about attending any shows in my area.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm enjoying these recordings being posted as I also live on the West Coast and cannot attend any of the gigs. Not being really familiar with Gregg Allman's music I've enjoyed checking out "new" music. The flip side of the lost revenue issue is that since hearing the first track posted I've bought two of GA's solo discs and will be picking up the ABB "Live at the Fillmore". Maybe there are more people out there just like me to balance things out.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Hurtt wrote:
The flip side of the lost revenue issue is that since hearing the first track posted I've bought two of GA's solo discs and will be picking up the ABB "Live at the Fillmore".


Fine choices there, Ian. And if you really get into the ABB, you might want to pick up a few of their earlier albums like Beginnings, Eat A Peach, and Brothers and Sisters. If you want some more live action, I'd recommend An Evening With The Allman Bros. Band: First Set, and One Way Out (a mix of old & new ABB tunes). Their latest studio album, Hittin' The Note, is pretty good, but I'm biased towards their earlier stuff...

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daved wrote:
Daved wrote:
I'm a little confused. There are no public soundboard recordings being made available and this posted set list includes songs that either have never been learned by this band ("Rendezvous"???)....

People in the Gregg Allman camp have now heard this recording. The concensus is that it is the actual show it is said to be, however, the song listed as "Rendezvous" is actually "House Of Blues".
And, altho the tape is an excellent recording, it is not a board tape, but just a well done house recording. The ONLY board tapes being made are done by Gregg's front-of-house man and Gregg has stressed to Rich that he wants those tapes to be delivered directly into Gregg's hands... he does not want those tapes going public. Gregg is only allowing public recordings because it is something they have traditionally allowed with the Brothers Band and although Gregg wishes they had never started allowing it in the first place (He feels it opened a keg-of-worms and has in the over all picture proved detrimental thru loss of revenue and control over his own material & performances and more of a headache than anything else), he feels it is a monster out of control but that he is now unfortunately "stuck" with having to cater the the tapers at his GA&F shows, but he is rigidly drawing the line at recordings off the board.



With all due respect to Greg, I think it's one of the best things he and the Allman Brothers Band have ever done - allowing taping. It's part of the reason he has such a huge following as a solo artist and with ABB today. Today he appeals to the old guard 40 to 60 year old farts like me, but also to a new younger collage jam band audience as well. That luxury allows him to tour anywhere in the world he wants too, sell out venues everywhere, and sell tons of solo CDs, ABB cds and merchandise. Look at the legacy of live recordings that the ABB, Greg Allman, and the current GA&F have left to the world and future generations. It's truly unbelievable how much incredible music Greg Allman has made available and the legacy he has left. Few artists can claim to have accomplished anything close to that.

If Greg is worried about lost revenue. Please tell him to commercial release the board recordings. I for one will buy, CDs, DVDs or downloads of these shows if made available and I am sure many of the members of this board would do so as well. I will also be happy to help promote any of these products for free to the 20,000 monthly visitors of my network - The Online Discussion Network....

Just one man's oppionon, I hope you can respect that. And I wish you would pass this on to Greg for me! .......And mention to him BOULDER PLEASE!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that kirk is 100% correct about the huge following due to taping. Gregg and the ABB certainly didn't gain such notoriety with "commercial" hits through the airwaves.

My 1st exposure to the ABB was hearing Ramblin' Man on AM radio. FM was still in its infancy, and 8-track was the "in" thing at the time. And, if it wasn't for a casual friend playing the 8-track of Fillmore Live in his car, I probably wouldn't have known and thought about how great this band was until probably many years later. What has this to do with taping? It's sort of the same thing- exposure.

I'd also buy "real" copies of these tapes if made available, even though I'm now a techno-weenie and can copy and burn my own cds... Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have to agree with Kirk here. I probably would not have any interest at all in GA had it not been for the circulation of the concert recordings. I believe the same can be said for thousands of other fans like me. It's plainly wrong to assume that GA is losing revenue from the circulation of these recordings where no official concert recordings have been made available for sale. I would not have considered purchasing a GA studio recording or even attending a concert before listening to this kind of material, but now, as a direct result of hearing the concert recordings, I would buy a concert ticket and a studio recording or an official concert recording of better quality.

While GA may lose some control over the quality of material in circulation, this perceived detriment is more than offset by the enormous benefits that directly result from the volume of interest and appreciation created by the circulation of the live recordings. Also while GA has earned a reputation as a great artist, that reputation, in my case, had value only as an historical relic and not as the vibrant, contemporary creative force that the live recordings clearly show that he is.

Most artists place way too much perfectionist importance on controling the quality of their work in circulation and forget that, without the fans' interest, a perfect take of a recording will not be heard or appreciated by anyone. The way to improve the quality of material in circulation is to control quality of the recording at the source and then make those recordings available for sale to the public.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

first time posting on this board - been lurking for quite a while - anyway I'm with the Captain on this one GA and Friends with Robben Ford will never make it to Australia so these downloads are something else for someone like me. While the subject on recomended Allman Brothers recordings is being raised may I suggest one from left field entitled "Pickin on the Allmans" which is a bluegrass!! tribute to the Allmans on CMH records and offers a softer, more melodic take on the Allman Brother songs.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:57 am    Post subject: More GA Reply with quote

Since folks are turning on to GA, I'll recommend his 2 early solo albums,
"Laid Back" and "Playin' Up a Storm."

"Playin' Up a Storm" is one of my personal favs...and I got my LP copy from the cut-out bin, for cryin' out loud!

And check this album review:

http://music.msn.com/album/?palbum=10005356&album=10005326

It's eerily like the current reviews out the the GA&F tour, and that's no coincidence.

Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100% in line with the above comments, ge the music out there make new fans/friends - release live shows commercially and we will buy them all a well as listening to the 'approved' audience taped shows

Cheers

Simon

PS: I for one have made many, many purchases of commercial cds/records AFTER hearing a live recording of a show by a band/artist who I may have only known by name or reputation initially.
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