Robben Ford Discussion

[Sweet_emotion16]

maybe this is a better place to post this .. maybe higher traffic i have no idea? anyway, i want to know if the fender deluxe reverb reissue will be loud enough i know i will probably have it on 5 or 6(for sure!) but i want a fairly clean sound if it gets a little drivin i dont care.. but no all out like overdrive here...

basicly, does anyone have a soundclip of a fender deluxe on around 7 or 8? or do i need to go with the twin to keep up with the drummer?, yes hes a zep fan...
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[Buffaloe]

A DR on three will be pretty clean but not very loud. Above that it starts breaking up and overdriving. On eight it will be pretty distorted. A Twin will stay clean and loud up to about six, then it will start to break up but will be killer loud. I've used DR's in small club settings with a controlled drummer, and I've used them in larger settings with a mic on it into the PA. A Twin is a beast and you'll want to use some kind of overdrive pedal in front of it or risk killing everyone in the room.
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[Sweet_emotion16]

thanks so much for the reply, that was just the answer i was looking for, im gonna have to trade my 412 cab in on it anyway because its just complete overkill right now, ill buy a 212 later on. and i just traded away a solid state combo i had to help pay for my strat,

is a super reverb worth the extra money or is just the extra speakers your paying for?

by the way i have a fulltone fulldrive out front.
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[Aeolian]

A Super Reverb is essentially as hard to move as a Twin. It's not as heavy but you're not going to carry either of them any appreciable distance. The Deluxe is much smaller and will have volume limitations with a band that gets loud. A good compromise is a Vibrolux Reverb. It's loud enough for most small unmic'ed situations, and almost as easy to move as a DR. The Super needs a larger club to get working, although with your FullDrive in front, you can get away with it a more moderate volumes. A Twin is probably too much unless you're on really large stages or playing in very loud bands.
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[FatTeleTom]

I would second the suggestion for something in between the Deluxe and the Twin/Super, unless you're really eager to move big amps around.

I've got a 40 watt Tryanor YCV 40WR that I like a lot. It's a combo with a single 12" speaker, big enough to get some good tones, small enough to fit in the trunk of my Miata.

Not what I would call light--probably 45lbs or so--but not a back-breaker by any means.

It has plenty of power to carry even fairly large rooms un-mic'd, without being overpowering. The clean channel is really starting to "sing" halfway up in those settings, but also works well at much lower volumes.

It's got a nice overdrive channel with separate eq, and overdrive pedals sound great through the clean channel.

Lots of other choices in that range, including Fender's near-ubiquitous Hot Rod Deluxe (although I prefer the Traynor), and certainly a Vibrolux Reverb, or Fender's newer Custom Vibrolux Reverb, would be a great choice as well.

[Sweet_emotion16]

whoa thanks you guys for the replies, ha ... anyway alot of helpful tips i havent heard of the vibrolux... but im not worried about picking up the twin or super , im used to picking up the head and cab together and carrying them off... but like i said its getting to be more trouble than its worth... ill be checking out the vibrolux but im inclined to like a twin because of the tones that robben's getting out of his... any info on robbens twin.???? thanks everyone for helping me, much appreciated!!
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[jedmon01]

I used a Deluxe RI in the house band of my local blues jam.
We alternate 4 piece one week and 6 the next ( added Sax & Hammond ).
The amp was perfect for 4 piece but struggled with the bigger band.
However, I replaced the 100 Watt stock speaker with a EV 12L and I now have no problem keeping up with both bands. I play very clean and use a KLON to fatten up the highs. I have a ZENDRIVE for RF tones.
I also have a Super reverb RI but only use it for very large venues.
Jammers can't believe how loud my little Deluxe is !
Any good 12" speaker with a sensitivity of 100db will do the trick.
The only downside is the Deluxe now weighs almost as much as the Super but it's still very compact.

[jedmon01]

Also, I tried a Custom Vibrolux before upgrading my Deluxe speaker and it started to break up at about "3". Very dirty amp due to no feedback loop. Great if that's the sound you want without pedals.

[Sweet_emotion16]

oh no, i will be using pedals for all my overdrive, atleast until i can afford a two-rock or fuchs.until then when alf starts accepting orders again i will order a zendrive to go with the blackface. first i was interested in the twins but now im into the supers i really dont know which to choose, without playing either.
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[Aeolian]

Robben uses rented Twins in lieu of having his 100W Dumble available. Very similar output stages and volume capabilities. Unless you play that loud, or need a very clean sharp sound at high levels, a Twin is overkill. The Twin and Showman were developed for pedal steel players in large venues until loud rock and roll came around and volumes got insane. For a Fender sound in the studio Robben uses either a Super or a Deluxe.

Old vintage Vibroluxes break up pretty early, but later blackfaces and silverfaces are a pretty good balance of volume and portability.

Another option is a Bandmaster Reverb. You can get a Deluxe cabinet from Mojo and put the Bandmaster chassis in there and have a 40W/1-12/Fender reverb, that is pretty compact.
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[JackD]

I have an interesting solution to this discussion. Check this out. I have two 100 watt amps for my larger gigs and also a Deluxe Reverb Reissue--which I love. However, I wanted something in between--a smaller "grab-and-go" amp for rehearsals and small gigs. The problem is the DR is not quite powerful enough. I thought about a Super Reverb, but that doesn't really fit my grab-and-go criteria.

Here's what I decided to do. I found a guy who is going to totally redo my DR. The electronics are all being stripped out (down to the chasis). He then re-builds it as a hand wired PTP blackface with larger Mercury transformers. He is also builing a pine fingerjointed cabinet with original Fender tolex. Here's the cool part. Rather than doing it as a 2 6v6, 20- watt Deluxe, he's doing it with 2 6L6s and it will be 40 watts. Essentially, it will be like a Vibrolux Reverb. I'm also having him do the cabient with 2 x10s rather than 1 x 12.

He's done a number of these rebuilds (the 20 watt versions) for folks and has gotten great reviews. Johnny Lang now tours with 2 of these amps.

He should be done with mine in the next week or two. I'll let you know how it goes.

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[JackD]

[Aeolian]

I don't know if all that work is worth it just to have a Deluxe reverb faceplate. Why not buy an Allen Accomplice with 6L6's in it? I used David's magnetics when I rebuilt my old SF Deluxe and it kills. The Accomplice also has this cool raw control that varies the feedback loop (I think). If I hadn't found this messed up SFD as cheap as I did and been willing to rebuild it, I would have bought an Accomplice.
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[Sweet_emotion16]

just an update.. i don't mind carrying a super reverb as i posted before, and im going to check out an old 70' super on tuesday.. me and the gentleman are talking about trading.
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